Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Carl Marci


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 21:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Carl Marci

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Unsalvageable advertisement. —Swpbtalk 20:05, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep per WP:BARE. He's hardly mentioned in several of the sources cited, such as the New York Times, Boston.com, and Psychology Today.  In a few of the sources, he and his ideas are not even mentioned: see the Wall Street Journal, Ad Age, Media Week, and Popular Science.  That makes me want to throw WP:AGF out the door.  Only one source actually quotes Marci more than once: the Wired article.  Even then, they really just quote him, and don't even describe (except in geek-jargon) what makes him notable. It's possible that a decent stub could be created, but this needs a lot more work. Right now, a reasonable argument could be made to blow it up and start over. Bearian (talk) 21:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Delete – On Google Scholar there are a couple of papers with one or two hundred cites, but it declines rapidly after that.  And they are for his early work, not the advertising related work in the cites. The memberships and advertising industry lectures and awards don't meet WP:PROF. This article was created by the author of Innerscope Research, around the same time. I thought that article was far more interesting. He should concentrate on improving that. The basic affiliation information from this article could be moved there. – Margin1522 (talk) 23:16, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per above.  Rcsprinter123    (lecture)  @ 21:42, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr.Z-man 17:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete does not meet WP:PROF and I see no other basis for notability  DGG ( talk ) 01:55, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "Carl Marci could answer that question with a resounding, 'Yes!' The former Parkland High School senior, who graduated sixth out of his class of 460 on Sunday, sports a 3.998 GPA, and seems to have reached the peak as he is attending Columbia University in the fall, led the basketball team in scoring and rebounding, holds the school record in the high jump and won a medal at states last month. In recognition of these accomplishment's, and several others, he was recently named the Most Outsanding Senior Athletic Male and Outstanding Scholastic Male at the East Penn Conference school. ...  Academically, Marci received an award as the Outstanding Scholasitc Male during Academic Awards night. In his high school career he garnered an A in every class, every semester, until a recent B in health class spoiled the string.  It may be tough to maintain that level of success at an Ivy League school like Columbia, especially in Pre-Med. But the president of Parkland's National Honor Society welcomes the challenge. 'I'm really interested in the sciences and physics and maybe one of the reasons I picked this major is because no one else in my family has (Carl also has a 27-year-old sister Anita). It's a goal for me (to prove myself in this field).'"  The article notes: "Three - Elizabeth Hughes of Harvard, Theresa Simmonds of Penn, Carl Marci of Columbia - represent the Ivy League; one - John Foster of Jackson State - attends a historically black school. ... Columbia's Marci, high jumper on the track team, overcame anxieties rooted in his ``all-American, upper-middle-class background as he volunteered with a New York City group delivering meals to homebound AIDS victims. ``Putting aside my anxieties toward the disease to take a volunteer internship, he says, ``has had an undeniable influence on my choice of a public health career. Since his internship, Marci has worked at an addicts' rehab center and marched in a Gay Pride parade, which ``gave me a true feel of the livelihood of two major cultures."  But at Oxford, almost all of the current crop of American Rhodes scholars say Clinton is their man. ...  Carl Marci, 23, from Allentown, Pa., comes from a Republican-leaning family but supports the Democratic candidate. This article verifies that Carl Marci was a Rhodes scholar. <li> The article notes: "Carl Marci has done it again. Only this time, his field was bigger than a high school track course or basketball court and broader than a graduating class. This time, the 1987 Parkland High School graduate has distinguished himself as one of the best in the country. Marci, 21, who attends Columbia University, recently was named among 20 college juniors from across the country to receive the 1990 Time Magazine College Achievement Award."</li> <li>The previous article notes: "Along with the other 19 winners, Marci was honored at a banquet at the Hard Rock Cafe in New York and received $3,000. A story about him and the other winners and a photo appeared in Time." The Time magazine article is another source about the subject. <li> The article notes: "Laughter is highly underrated, says a Boston researcher whose latest study suggests giggles can be used to gauge more complex emotions. Dr. Carl Marci, a neuroscientist at Massachusetts General Hospital, used a lie-detector type of machine to measure sweat on patients' hands during psychotherapy sessions. He also measured it on therapists."</li> <li> The article notes: "As the giggles over the cell-phone icebreaker begin to subside Saturday morning, one of the most admittedly unfunny people there took the stage. Before he began his scholarly keynote talk, Dr. Carl Marci of Harvard Medical School admitted to the crowd of amateur comedians that even his wife doesn't think he has a sense of humor. Marci noted that evidence abounds on how laughter can be 'the best medicine,' but more rigorous scientific study is needed. As a psychiatry professor and researcher, he has used skin sensors to measure the physiologic ways people respond to humor and empathy. He's also that found frequent laughter relieves tension, creates social cohesion and stimulates neural pathways to help regulate moods."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Carl Marci to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 05:47, 31 December 2014 (UTC) </li></ul> <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Davewild (talk) 11:26, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to allow discussion of the sources raised by Cunard. Davewild (talk) 11:27, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - This is pretty borderline. I can't see sources giving the subject direct and significant coverage, though there are several RS's discussing his studies. NickCT (talk) 14:33, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is another source about the subject: <ol><li> The article notes: "Fast forward to 2004. A psychiatrist named Carl Marci, MD, also was fascinated by measurement, especially when it came to interactions between doctors and patients. At the time, Marci was director of Harvard Medical School's social neuroscience program at Massachusetts General Hospital. He had long wondered how7 certain doctors and therapists established rapport with patients; he had even counted the number of laughs between patients and therapists during counseling sessions. Like Nielsen, Marci eventually found inspiration at MIT, in this case, with Brian Levine, a business school student who had helped create Web sites for Major League Baseball. Together, Marci and Levine co-founded Innerscope Research, a company that uses biometric devices to measure emotional responses to images on television, the Internet, and other media. Their goal was to take the Nielsen concept to another level--measure what's happening in our hearts to get a better idea of what's going on in our heads. Today, their company is on the second floor of a brick building a block from the narrow streets and Italian restaurants of Boston's North End. The sparsely decorated offices have the freshly carpeted and urgent hum of a maturing start-up." http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/70548705/meet-carl-marci-doctor-who-wants-measure-your-emotionsWebCite says: "The article profiles psychiatrist Carl Marci who co-founded Innerscope Research, a neuromarketing company that uses biometric devices to measure emotional response to images on television, the Internet, and other media, together with student Brian Levine. The author states that Marci was intrigued by measurement especially when it comes to patients and doctors interaction. He mentions that Marci's research and use of biometrics comes about understanding the brain's neural wiring."</li></ol>, would you reconsider your position? Cunard (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * - Glancing at this again, I think I'm still in the "delete" category. Marci's article and his company's article were both started by an WP:SPA. These articles have the vague scent of self promotion and advertising. I know self promotion and advertising aren't rationales for delete, but they're enough to make me dubious about keeping. Plus, there is something very WP:FRINGEy about Innerscope Research, which also makes me want to be cautious. Physician Executive is a moderate quality RS and it is direct coverage, but it's only one. That still makes this guy borderline non-notable. NickCT (talk) 14:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The Physician Executive article is a high quality reliable source because it is a peer-reviewed journal and the author is two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist Tony Bartelme. Thank you for explaining that the possible Conflict of interest issues are inclining you towards deletion. Cunard (talk) 03:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment – OK, on the basis of the material found by and in the interests of consensus, I am changing my criteria from N PROF to GNG. I admit that now there is enough material about him to write an article with. – Margin1522 (talk) 08:19, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete for lack of the significance of most of the coverage in independent reliable sources, noted above. I agree he fails WP:NPROF and that the test of his notability should be WP:BIO which ends up meaning WP:GNG. --Bejnar (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is another source about the subject:<ol><li> The article notes: "Dr. Marci got to test and improve his hypothesis as the director of social neuroscience at Harvard Medical School and continues in a similar role at Massachusetts General Hospital, where he also is a practicing psychiatrist - when he and his Innerscope cofounder, Brian Levine, aren't conducting research for some of the biggest brands and media companies in the world."</li></ol> Cunard (talk) 03:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: The subject easily passes Notability. He was the subject of four articles over a period of 25 years: 1987 ("Parkland's Marci Has More Goals" from The Morning Call), 1990 ("Time Magazine Honors L.v. Man For Service" from The Morning Call), 2011 ("Being Carl Marci" from MediaPost), and 2012 ("Meet Carl Marci: a doctor who wants to measure your emotions. (Profile)" from Physician Executive). Cunard (talk) 03:46, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'd be willing to go along with a move (take out the "Dr.") and removal of the peacock wording. Bearian (talk) 06:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Bearian and Cunard have recalled some better sources. Noteswork (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
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