Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Otto Octavius (Marvel Cinematic Universe)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Doctor Octopus. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:13, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Otto Octavius (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

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No indication that there is any independent notability for this character just as a Marvel Cinematic Universe character. No discussions, articles or analysis of this character specific to the Marvel Cinematic Universe were found in my WP:BEFORE search. Simply being mentioned as a character in an upcoming movie does not establish notability. Merge or redirect to Doctor_Octopus would also be fine. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. It’s less than 1 month to the release of Spider-Man: No Way Home which will feature this character.  If secondary sources discussing this fictional character don’t appear, then bring to AfD then.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd rather redirect to Doctor Octopus, and if secondary sources appear, then restore the article from the page history and provide it with proper sourcing that establishes notability. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That might be ok. I’ll think on it.  I was thinking either let it develop after the release, or have it deleted then.  If you redirect, the poorly sourced content will remain readily accessible indefinitely. SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:48, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Doctor Octopus per all others, especially Rorshacma. There is not justification now for an independent article, and no good reason to thing there will be in on release, and even then, it should be developed in the main article before being spun out. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:19, 19 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge or redirect Otto Octavius is a character depicted in multiple ways in multiple media. One article should be sufficient to cover all V'ed incarnations of this notable fictional character. Jclemens (talk) 16:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Doctor Octopus - At this point, there really is nothing to justify splitting this off into an independent article. If, after No Way Homes release, there is enough content that a separate article is needed, it can be re-examined then, though I suspect its likely that it would still be a better fit to be covered on the main article.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Doctor Octopus. This falls well short of the requirements set by the MCU project for freestanding articles on film depictions of Marvel Comics characters. BD2412  T 20:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Doctor Octopus. While this character will very likely get more coverage following the release of No Way Home, it is too soon for this character to have a separate article since the coverage does not exist right now to justify that. I agree that it can (and should) be re-examined in the future when coverage changes based on No Way Home. Aoba47 (talk) 20:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Strong delete and redirect to . To start, the character didn't even originate from the MCU, so the correct title should be, which there is currently a draft for with more info at Draft:Otto Octavius (Sam Raimi film series). However, even that draft requires more essential information in order to merit it to be spun off from its comics counterpart, so it should not be published yet either. Furthermore, as BD2412 noted above, this article does not meet the WP:LOCALCONSENSUS among the MCU taskforce regarding character articles, which is detailed at WP:MCUCHARACTERS. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect and possibly merge to Doctor Octopus. I strongly believe we don't need to split fictional biographies and trivia on development etc. between different comic/animation/live action versions. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.