Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Phineas Waldolf Steel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Speedy delete, repost of deleted content, blatant astroturfing (they openly refer to this as "operation Wikipedia"). See Articles for deletion/Doctor Steel and deletion review at Deletion review/Log/2007 February 22, plus deletions at half a dozen other titles, most of which have ended up at WP:PT. Guy (Help!) 23:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Phineas Waldolf Steel

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I am currently attempting to rework this article in keeping with Wikipedia's standards for NPOV and Notability. It is becoming quite a labor as over the past two hours I have been bombarded with accusations of vandalism, spamming, and several suggestions for deletion.

I am fully aware of the fact that this subject matter has been overrun with POV and gibberish in the past, and I agree that Wiki is not the place for that.

I do think that the subject matter rates a wiki entry however. Dr. Steel is taking music and theatrics to a new level with his performing, basically pioneering a new artform. The fact that he is a musician who almost exclusively utilizes the internet and independent production to produce albums, establish tours, and communicate with the public is noteworthy as well.

Thoug my wiki savvy may be somewhat lacking, I fail to understand why this subject is constantly on the deletion chopping block, instead of simply being edited and revised like every other legitimate wiki article out there. I really think a fairly neutral NPOV article can be established, and given the opportunity, I am prepared to try. Seary6579 00:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep, and probably Speedy Close. What few links there are seem to indicate some notability, maybe just enough for WP:N at the very least.  Keep (oppose weak keep) because the nominator has committed to cleanup; attributions alone get a weak keep.  If you have committed to improving it, you should not be here, you should be...crud, I don't know where you should be.  Somebody else can direct you for that.  Still, being here hedges on WP:POINT. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 16:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The subject is clearly notable. Possibly starting off editing by blanking the original page might have caused some confusion.DGG 03:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Dr. Steel might not be a household name yet but he keeps gaining more and more fans. He currently had tens of thousands all over the world. He's one of the only, if not the only, music artist to primarily use the Interweb instead of the radio to promote his music. He has three official websites and numerous fan sites but his wiki page gets deleted every time one is made. He’s notable enough to be on The Tonight Show and Late Night with David Letterman. Jarnagin 06:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC) jarnagin
 * Keep I'm helping the best I can also in cleaning up the article with valid sources and information since I can say for a fact, I was rather surprised when I first heard of this musician and couldn't find a shred of information on him on Wiki, despite the large fanbase and viral internet marketing.ViciousBleu 20:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Doctor steel is gaining popoularity like a run away train gains speed; More and more people are joining his army, more and more people want to know about him, this page is a vaulable source of many peices of information that are not easy to find in one place elsewhere. If it is maintianed and not deleted it will be of great help to anyone who wants to know about the doctor and his plans, goals, life, music, or anything else to do with him. He has been on radio shows and television, his musical gigs are not rare, he is as known a figure as many other people in many other articles on wikipedia are, he is more than a suitable candidate for a wikipedia page Joe64 11:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep He has an almost cult like following, with the "Toy Soldiers" as proof. I say keep it just because if you do delete it, Dr Steel's fans are just going to make another wiki page, and another, and another and so on. He has thousands and thousands of fans. Just keep the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.160.91.148 (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
 * For what it's worth, you should probably read WP:AADD. Reasons you gave aren't really good reasons to keep, to be perfectly frank - even if you are lining up with consensus thus far. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 21:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep seems to be notable to me. i'm not really sure why it was proposed for deletion in the first place. Whateley23 23:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete unless reliable sources cited. Stifle (talk) 20:55, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Stifle, was an afdanons template really necessary? -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 21:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Without offering an opinion on whether that template is "really necessary" except noting the presence of the unsigned comment by 67.160.91.148, I will say that the template is clearly appropriate here. Barno 00:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. -- Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 00:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep There are tons of articles on Wikipedia about other independent musicians and artists. I'm not sure exactly where the line is drawn as to what makes an artist "notable", but I'd hate to see it restricted to only mainstream music. I very often use Wikipedia to look up information on fairly off-the-beaten-path musicians, and if everyone whose record sales were under a certain level was automatically considered "non-notable" I'd probably only visit this site about half as often. If there are problems with specific content on the page, fine, edit those. But if everyone starts flagging the entries on any artist they haven't heard of for deletion, it's going to seriously degrade Wikipedia's usefulness as a resource on music. Miss Lynx 05:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep He has been on Leno and Letterman and VH1. Dr. Steel has a large fanbase and is very notable. --PseudoChron 23:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.