Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Syamaprasad Jana Jagaran Manch (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Tapan Sikdar. Enough discussion after relist and a redirect is merited. Merge a line or so; from history. (non-admin closure) &#x222F; WBG converse 17:11, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Dr. Syamaprasad Jana Jagaran Manch
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Fails WP:NORG and WP:NOTINHERITED. Run of the mill political party / forum founded by Tapan Sikdar who was suspended from BJP. Party never won any elections. Sikdar is back to BJP and no one heard about this party ever since.  D Big X ray ᗙ  16:19, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  D Big X ray ᗙ  16:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  D Big X ray ᗙ  16:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  D Big X ray ᗙ  16:21, 9 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep - I'd like to refer back to the discussions of the first AfD for this article. Noted that User:DBigXray keeps initiating deletion processes on weak grounds: "run of the mill" is not a valid deletion argument, moreover the deletion request misses that notability is not temporary. If the group was notable at any given moment, it fullfills general notability criteria. --Soman (talk) 12:53, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Soman Please read and familiarize yourself with Arguments_to_avoid_in_deletion_discussions and Comment on content, not on the contributor. Your !vote which focussed on ad hominem failed to provide any reason or reliable source to prove the notability of this political party. You are using Strawman argument here. Contrary to what you are accusing me of, I have not nominated this article because WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT or its a run of the mill party, it is nominated for AfD since it fails wikipedia's notability criterias WP:NORG and WP:NOTINHERITED. On AfD discussion, just making an Assertion of notability is not enough. If you can provide sources that prove this party was notable at any point of time, I am willing to withdraw my deletion nomination. But remember that those sources you present must pass WP:ORGCRIT on their own merit and should not attempt to WP:INHERIT notability from the founder. Per NORG the subject needs significant coverage in "multiple" independent, reliable secondary sources. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  13:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Enough coverage in independent sources. Also WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Kraose (talk) 15:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Please see the analysis of these 2 sources in the table below.
 * {| class=wikitable

! Source || Significant? || Independent? || Reliable? || Secondary? || Pass/Fail || Notes ! colspan=5| Total qualifying sources || 0 || There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the WP:ORGCRIT notability requirements
 * Outlook  || ❌ || ❌ || ✅ || ❌ || ❌ || The article is about the statement of K. N. Govindacharya with 1 passing mention of the subject. fails WP:ORGIND and WP:NOTINHERITED
 * Deccan Herald || ❌ || ❌ || ✅ || ❌ || ❌ || Interview / Statement of the founder Tapan Sikdar while announcing the launch of this forum. fails WP:ORGIND and WP:NOTINHERITED
 * Deccan Herald || ❌ || ❌ || ✅ || ❌ || ❌ || Interview / Statement of the founder Tapan Sikdar while announcing the launch of this forum. fails WP:ORGIND and WP:NOTINHERITED
 * Deccan Herald || ❌ || ❌ || ✅ || ❌ || ❌ || Interview / Statement of the founder Tapan Sikdar while announcing the launch of this forum. fails WP:ORGIND and WP:NOTINHERITED
 * }
 * -- D Big X ray ᗙ  21:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
 * This table is misleading. For example, the very fact that a newspaper with national reach does an indept interview with the leader about the founding of the new group is clear a valid qualifying source. --Soman (talk) 20:37, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
 * "Qualifying source" for the leader or the Manch ? The topic of this AFD discussion is "Dr. Syamaprasad Jana Jagaran Manch", so the WP:ORGCRITE table of sources has to address whether the article does an in depth coverage of "Dr. Syamaprasad Jana Jagaran Manch" or not. Even if the article does a 3 para "in depth" interview of K. N. Govindacharya or  Tapan Sikdar that is not helping the subject in anyway. These individuals are already notable and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  20:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:45, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Is it just me or is it really the case that nowadays, nearly every time tables are used to analyse sources, there is some sleight-of-hand taking place? FOARP (talk) 11:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That's just what I was thinking. It appears that a few editors think that presenting an argument in a table is somehow more authoratitive than presenting it in prose. It is not. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - This fails WP:GNG. Needs to be deleted. Skirts89 (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Tapan Sikdar. Coverage in reliable sources is scarce; what material there is can be comfortably covered at the article about the founder. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Userfy. Requires more updates. Mgbo120 (talk) 20:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination, as also made clear in the commentary above. -The Gnome (talk) 10:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.