Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr Louisa Martindale


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep - article has been significantly improved whilst it is at AFD - nice work. (Early close) Nancy  talk  10:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Dr Louisa Martindale

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Non-notable person. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep a MD who also received the CBE for her medical work (and also  Fellow of the Royal College of Obstetricians & the Royal Society of Medicine) and with three published books, is certainly notable. ( The article is excessively detailed, concentrating upon the relatively unimportant details of her personal life, and not  her professional accomplishments, but that can and will be fixed by editing.  Though one of the sources seem to be family bio, there are at least 2 other good secondary sources. I am not sure of the rationale behind this nomination. I moved it per MOOS to Louisa Matindale. DGG (talk) 18:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per DGG, although I would note a possible COI in that one of those secondary sources was apparently written by the original author of the article, User:Val Brown. JulesH (talk) 19:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep--that COI is there, sure, but it is minor, IMO, and does not take away from the subject's notability. I took DGG's cue and edited some. Drmies (talk) 20:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - Per DGG. &mdash; neuro(talk) 22:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Clearly I am in the minority on this one. What I read in this article is basically: "She was born, she worked, she wrote some books."  It may be notable that a woman was awarded the CBE, but this is not even mentioned in the article other than as a set of letters after her name.  If there is notability here, the article needs a COMPLETE rewrite to prove it.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 22:09, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, minority, maybe. I'll grant you that it was not a well-written article, and not footnoted, but CBE, and books, and female surgeon, that makes googling her real easy, and it did not take me long to dig up a considerable number of books. But it's heavily rewritten now, and the references are there to prove her notability, I believe. I'm glad your AfD brought this article to my attention; I'm going to read her autobiography. Drmies (talk) 03:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep — While there is a clear conflict of interest, as long as no questionable behavior is occurring as a result, it's OK. The book he wrote would qualify as a reliable source; however, there needs to be more out there. MuZemike  ( talk ) 01:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * MuZemike, what book? it's her book, and she wrote a half a dozen. As for COI, sure, her biographer got this started, but there's plenty out there (just go look for yourself). Now, questionable behavior, I don't know...Martindale was a lesbian...were you thinking hanky-panky kind of questionable? Drmies (talk) 03:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the book written by Brown (who is also editing this article). I also doubt there is any hanky-panky going on regarding someone who has been dead for over 40 years. MuZemike  ( talk ) 17:29, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


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 * Keep, per DGG and others above. Well-sourced, sufficient coverage to pass WP:BIO. Nsk92 (talk) 05:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep--Wojtczak (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiple sources unrelated to the subject and the CBE give it notability. - Mgm|(talk) 13:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep No issue about notability as shown above. This is pretty clear-cut. Collect (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per the research I did when writing Eleanor Davies-Colley, female surgeons were very rare at that time, and this article is therefore important in the history of British surgery. She has an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, and I expect many other references will exist which are not available online. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:28, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment If this is kept, then it ought to be renamed to lose the academic title. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:09, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's already been moved. The reason for the odd title is that this Louisa Martindale's mother, of the same name, is also notable, but the article on her (if there ever was one) seems to have been deleted somewhere along the line. If anyone can find the other deleted article, it should probably be reinstated as she also has an ODNB entry. I fear I don't have time to work on this now. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Val Brown also created an article at Mrs Louisa Martindale which was speedy deleted; I assumed it was a previous version of this one, but that may be the article you're looking for. JulesH (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, JulesH. I've recreated the article at Louisa Martindale (feminist) and tidied it up a bit. I'll notify the creator. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:34, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


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