Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragan Nikoli%u0107 (war criminal)


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The result was already moved elsewhere. Mackensen (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Dragan Nikolić (war criminal)


As per the other spelling above. POV title, unneeded with a non-pov titled article that exists Localzuk(talk) 16:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 17:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - This really should be under RfD since it's not an article. That fact notwithstanding, I'm not sure we can really call the link POV (Record of Conviction for Crimes Against Humanity) but we can at least be mindful of WP:BLP.  Furthermore, the redirect is unlikely to be typed in as it appears, and as such it does seem to exist for malicious reasons.  →Bobby ← 18:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep and move back to (war criminal) This is part of a move war] over the disambiguator. Since Dragan Nikolić pled guilty to four counts and has been sentenced, the claim that this is POV is doubtful. There is a Serbian actor of the same name, so using the plain name is unrealistic. (Also, the article omits the guilty plea, and is obfuscatory.) Septentrionalis 19:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Change title removing War Criminal. The fact that he was convicted does not give him an additional title. As far as I know we don't have Charles Manson (murderer) or Alphonso Capone (mafia boss) as title either. Alf photoman 22:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep (or possibly merge, read on) I'm really confused. Is Dragan Nikolić the same person?  If not, as he is totally unrealated to this person and it would appear slanderous to not separate, it makes sense that a title affectation of "(war criminal)" was added to this person's name as being a war criminal is what he is notable for.  --Oakshade 02:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)  Thanks to Septentrionalis' comment below.  I'll start over. There's already an article for a different person named Dragan Nikolić. This particular Dragan Nikolić needs a description affectation and "war criminal is fine as that's what he's notable for. --Oakshade 05:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If the articles are correct, one was born in 1957, the other in 1943; so presumably not. Septentrionalis 05:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment War Criminal is POV - he wasn't convicted as a war criminal, he was convicted of various crimes... Also, the article is at the same name with (commander) after it which is neutral Localzuk(talk) 08:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Labelling someone primarily famous for being convicted of crimes against humanity a "commander" is POV, or at least weasel-wording.  We can't drop the disambiguating suffix entirely, and this one fits well enough.  WP:BLP doesn't require us to whitewash history, of if it does, it's faulty. BCoates 13:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment The man's profession was 'commander'. Labelling someone per their ciminal activity is inherently POV. I have not seen any other articles on this site that label someone in the same manner. BLP states that we have to source all claims - have you got a source showing that this person is in fact a 'war criminal' (using the exact wording)? Localzuk(talk) 13:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, Hideki Tojo is unambiguous. This is not the case here; I gather both names are common. Septentrionalis 19:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * keep and change title Obviously notable, but whoever decided to use this title has a lot to learn. DGG 23:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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