Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragoş Popa


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. WP:CSD article blanked by author. JohnCD (talk) 20:21, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Dragoş Popa

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Coverage of this individual in reliable sources that are independent of the subject is sharply limited. We have a blurb in his local paper, and from the national papers, two briefs on the festival he's running and another (complete with an e-mail address where readers can send money) about his lofty ambitions. Maybe in the future, but if right now this is all that's available on him, I don't see him meeting either the general biographical criteria or WP:CREATIVE. - Biruitorul Talk 14:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Grossly promotional, entirely non-notable as far as independent sources bother. Dahn (talk) 17:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I really tried to make this article to be good. That's not my mother language and I tried to do the best when I translated this article, took me a lot of time. Now, I also added the translation for his project. I appreciate this kid and I think that he deserves all my respect, for all what he did and for what he want to do. Also I see him meeting WP:CREATIVE, because he is artists / singer. CristinaStroe72 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC). — CristinaStroe72 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * In order to meet WP:CREATIVE, the subject must actually pass one of the five criteria. Passing them is not just a matter of opinion; evidence in the form of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" needs to be presented to confirm notability. So far, we simply don't have that. - Biruitorul Talk 13:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, in my opinion Dragos Popa meet the crietria number 3 and 4."The person has created a significant or well-known work, that has been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. The person's work either has become a significant monument." For exemple here it's a video created by a Romanian Television in which says that this young boy made history for his city and for Romania. Also I can raise a lot of articles with this subject, unfortunately all of these are in Romanian.CristinaStroe72 (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, the biography doesn't seem to be complete, but for sure can be improved and also I think that this article can be included into WP:CREATIVE, as I understand Dragos Popa is tenor. EdwardMa (talk) 13:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC) — EdwardMa (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Where are the independent sources that make more than trivial mention of this subject? And how does it begin to matter that he is a tenor or a baritone when it comes to his notability? And how is it, "EdwardMa", that your only edit on wikipedia so far is casting a vote on this discussion? Dahn (talk) 18:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I am just a Wikipedia reader, not writer. A discussion led me to intervene in this matter and it is my right. Originally I'm romanian and that does't mean that I'm lower than others. EdwardMa (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep For me, after looking at the article and the refs, the main problem seems to be that it is not quite in "correct" English. There is no deadline. I don't speak Romanian, but if this article is kept then I will personally go through it line-by-line, possibly aided by Google Translate, to render into WP:MOS text.-- Gilderien Talk|Contribs 18:37, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * National Papers? Non-notable coverage? Really? Maybe we should leave this to those who have Romanian as their mother tongue? :-) -- Gilderien Talk|Contribs 18:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The "references" are a promotional piece in a local newspaper with a circulation hovering around 2000 copies; a blog post; another blog post; and a promotional piece complete with an e-mail address where readers can send money. The main problem, the fundamental problem, is not the grammar, but that the subject simply isn't notable, as we define it.
 * I'm not quite sure what you were driving at in your last comment, but if you're implying that mere mention in a national newspaper implies notability, this is patently false. I plucked three random articles from the front page of The New York Times; are Steve Budin, David Baime and Chris Schlesinger notable? There's a reason why we ask for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". - Biruitorul Talk 03:34, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Gilderien, both Biruitorul and I have Romanian as our mother tongue. Dahn (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Dear Biruitorul, as I see you are Romanian or you just speak Romanian. Well, a newspaper, two newspapers maybe can’t be trused, but there are much more sources, all of them are Non-notable coverage ?

I think you know that the ‘Jurnalul National’ it’s one of the biggest newspapers from Romania. I saw that you don’t like that the article it’s completed “with an e-mail address where readers can send money”. That was a fundraising campaign to achieve that cultural project. Dragos has not received money from that campaign and he decided to create the project by gathering money from his allowance, as he declared to an interview and for that the people from Romania and not only, appreciate that very much. Meanwhile the Cultural Virtual Information Center, became a department of a association accredited at  the Chamber of Deputies at Romanian Parliament.(How I checked that? Well I read here, then here and I made the connection). If necessary, as a former journalist, I will send a letter to Parliament and I will prove that the subject is notable, because was one of my subjects.

I want to say that is something impolite to say that NovaTV is represented only by blog.If you go to this page and then click on the “Video”, there is the reportage made by this television. We can’t say that isn’t notable.

Here is another important newspaper from our country. This article represent the winner of the festival, with Dragos Popa, the president of the festival.

I also found in YouTube a lot of videos from the festival, means that was realised.And another interviews, where I think that you can understand what says.(interviews with the composser Mihai Vanica, another old singer, Ilie Micolov, the mayor etc.)

Also I saw the official website of the festival. It is hosted by City Hall Zarnesti. Searching on it, I found here, Dragos Popa as founding president.I can’t say that the IT Team of City Hall Zarnesti are liers.

In ‘Adevarul’ newspaper are a lot of articles in which the subject is Dragos Popa or the festival.Here it's one, and here another one.

Also, BrasovPress here, CoronaPress here (soprano Felicia Filip and the festival, another official Brasov county website here, Monitorul here and many others.

And one of the best notable it’s the City Hall Zarnesti WebSite here.

Well, there are a lot of natable sources. Dragos Popa is not a subject like “Madonna will mary with Brad Pitt “! , it’s a cultural subject.He at his early age represent for me, for some of us, a man of culture, an artist. I don't understand why this article could hurt the encyclopedia. Also I rember that I saw somewhere a diploma of Dragos Popa from a music festival contest, which represent that is a singer. How much I would like to be again a journalist. CristinaStroe72 (talk) 09:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's look at those sources one by one. It is absolutely irrelevant if the "Cultual Virtual etc." Center is or isn't "accredited" by the Chamber of Deputies - in itself, the information means absolutely nothing, especially not for the entry we're discussing; and this aside from the fact that even this claim is traced back to what "Centrul" says about itself. I still don't understand which part of this is supposed to source the article, but I gather that we're talking about a one-time mention in a second-rate local TV station report - Nova TV's, that is. Of course we can say that isn't notable - it isn't notable enough for wikipedia, not even Romanian wikipedia. This is a local edition of a national newspaper, where Popa is quoted with a statement about the winner of his festival, and shows up in a picture. This is the same, only less so (even in a local context, he is but briefly mentioned); this is in fact a duplication of just that article. Ditto. A trash collector and a policeman who was assaulted with a bottle receive basically the same "honor". The YouTube hype is entirely dismissible (and in fact easily concocted). This, I gather, is the festival's own homepage - I would find it strange if they didn't mention Popa... This is a local newspaper, this is a news aggregator, this is an entirely irrelevant primary source. Dahn (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Just a note to say that I was canvassed by CristinaStroe72 by email about this AfD. I have had no prior interaction with CristinaStroe72 as far as I can see and remember, nor have I edited this article, nor is this article within my areas of interest. CristinaStroe72, please read WP:CANVASS if you haven't already. BencherliteTalk 10:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Someone has recommended you as administrator.Thanks for being here. CristinaStroe72 (talk) 11:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Also canvassed by email. Delete on principle. — foxj 11:12, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably too harsh, I'll agree. I'll retract all involvement. — foxj 11:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Whilst I agree with WP:CANVASS, CristinaStro72 is a relatively inexperienced user, and we should not expect all our editors to instantly know all our (ever expanding) policies and guidlines. Voting against this on principle of this violates (IMHO) WP:BITE.-- Gilderien Talk|Contribs 11:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I was also contacted by CristinaStroe72 via email about this AFD despite not having any dealings with the editor before or editing any similar articles. I won't comment on the article but this behaviour is a case for concern. (Emperor (talk) 15:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC))


 * I feel that this topic harms my health. Please let me know which is the method to remove it and I will do that today.CristinaStroe72 (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Since the e-mail canvassing is by now public, I may also point out another issue: CristinaStroe72 has also contacted me by e-mail, and her message attempted to persuade me that we should keep this entry not because of coverage in the press or wikipedia rules, but because the subject of the entry is basically a good guy, and he's trying to make a name of himself in this harsh world etc. In other words, I was being asked to ignore wikipedia rules, and the user in question was essentially showing a sickening, and disruptive, conflict of interest. When I declined to respond to the e-mail, and publicly asked the user (at the very least) not to use sockpuppets for her questionable goals, she responded with what I take to be a legal threat: here. I won't embarrass the user by publicizing the e-mail message, unless I am called upon to do so, but I will note that, if she really wants to contribute to this project, she might need serious mentoring. And only then will WP:BITE begin to matter. Dahn (talk) 17:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
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