Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drake Jensen


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Yunshui 雲&zwj;水 07:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Drake Jensen

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The article for Drake Jensen. I have a problem with this article because this is a self-published artist who happens to be a gay country singer. The only thing of note for him is that he is a gay country singer and I feel that does not do him justice. Straight Facts about my case: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirkoconnell (talk • contribs) 2012-05-15T15:38:46‎
 * Drake is on an indie label.
 * Drake self-produced his albums.
 * Drake is not on a major record label and gets virtually no notable airplay.
 * Drake is not "world famous", only "world famous" to a small group of people.
 * Drake's major accomplished seems to be coming out gay due to a tragic event.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Self-production and being on an indie label are beside the point for any artist.  Also, an artist does not have to be world-famous to be notable, and current airplay is not a requirement; the article does mention (with citation to an independent source) that one song some years ago was a favorite on CBC Radio One.  WP:Notability says: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."  I count 8 such sources for this article.  I think that clinches it.  Textorus (talk) 20:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Drake's albums were produced by a notable and well-established Nashville producer.  His videos have received over 33,000 views in the past few months.


 * Keep I see no reason the sources in the article are not good enough for notability. Enough were published before his coming out to show that this is not a WP:BLP1E. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:38, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Procedural Keep - No valid rationale for deletion has been presented, per WP:DEL-REASON. It's weak that the nominator states they "have a problem" with the topic from the start, which is indicative of bias about the topic, rather than presenting the discussion as should be here, about the notability of the topic per Wikipedia Nobatility guidelines. To the nom, perhaps consider improving the article instead. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment I considered a procedural close here, even before you suggested it. I held back at the time because I felt that two of the comments skate near the vicinity of WP:MUSICBIO (5) and (11), just close enough that I was hesitant to close this as a matter of pure procedure. I note that WP:DEL isn't limiting, I would not oppose a little more structure there. --joe deckertalk to me 14:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Notability on Wikipedia is a function of the depth and quality of reliable sources that can be added about the person. A musician does not need to be on a major label, or to have a current Top 40 hit, or to be "world famous", or to have his albums helmed by a famous producer rather than doing it himself, to be notable — while those criteria certainly bolster notability if they're met, they're not necessary conditions that must be met. We have plenty of articles, some even quite good, about musicians who meet none of them. The only strictly necessary condition that a musician has to meet to qualify for an article on here is having garnered coverage in reliable sources — and with coverage in the Ottawa Citizen, Cashbox, Capital Xtra! and the CBC, among others, that condition has most certainly been met here. And furthermore, some of those additional criteria have been met anyway — despite the deletion rationale given here, his album was actually produced by a potentially notable Nashville-based record producer, not by himself, and the article explicitly mentions and properly sources that far from garnering "virtually no notable airplay", he actually garnered airplay on over 100 radio stations in North America with the album's first single. Keep. Bearcat (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.