Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DreDDup


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Additionally, on a point of order, the three co-nominated pages were not tagged for AFD and thus could not be deleted anyway. Merging may be appropriate. Stifle (talk) 09:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

DreDDup

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Absolutely nothing on Google News. Only sources are interviews which are not enough per WP:BAND. A couple other albums are already listed at AFD, so here are the rest.


 * Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't agree. There are more sources than just some interviews. There are reviews and articles about the band. Suite yourself, but this is currently the only living industrial rock band in Serbia and therefore very important article for Wikipedia Online Encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihajlo219 (talk • contribs) 18:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are the reviews and articles? I saw none. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 20:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * If you look at the bottom of the page, you'll find that first 4 external sources are reviews and external biography page. Now look again here:
 * 1) http://www.terapija.net/mjuzik.asp?ID=6307
 * 2) http://www.dreddup.com/biography/index.html
 * 3) http://www.tvorac-grada.com/hczin/Broj83/rcz.html
 * 4) http://www.fabryka.darknation.eu/php-files_en/readarticle.php?article_id=222
 * 5) http://www.fabryka.darknation.eu/php-files_en/readarticle.php?article_id=242  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.30.168.104 (talk) 00:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the reliability of these sources (apart from the artist website bio which is not independent) needs to be established in order for them to count. I realize this could be difficult because these pages are of Serbian origin, but I think there is a need for clarity in that respect. fabryka.darknation.eu is an English language site so I checked it out and the "stats" page shows that the most read items have below 500 views. Hekerui (talk) 00:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

http://www.okno.mk/node/3951 http://www.terapija.net/topliste.asp?ID=7764 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihajlo219 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Since this band is cult in the underground of Serbia it is obvious that the English and Amercians don't read that much about them. All the valid texts are on Serbian or Croatian. If you would like, I can easily scan some texts about this band from the well-known Serbian magazines such as Politika, Dnevnik, Blic, Gradjanski List, Alo!, Urban Bug etc... just to verify all the texts shown in Wikipedia? Or we can send you some divx of the interviews from all sort of television stations including MTV Adria? Here are the two year 2009 top-lists from Croatian magazines "Terapija" and Macedonian magazine "Okno" where you can verify that this band is well-known in Ex Yugoslavian region:
 * If the bands were in notable magazines and had newspaper articles, then cite them with author, date, name of the article, name of the newspaper/magazine (see Wikipedia:Citing sources and Template:cite news) and add some info from these sources to the article (no need to scan per se). It would be important to make sure that the newspapers/magazines are notable themselves. Hekerui (talk) 11:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok. I've added the magazine and newspaper references in the bottom of the page all with the names of the authors and the exact name of the article. I hope this is enough. I can really add more. I've also inserted an external links to some articles in the information text above which had their online edition also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihajlo219 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think additional info on why these sources are realiable per WP:RS is needed. Are any of these articles posted online on source websites so one can could whether the newspaper is notable? Is there some other evidence? It's difficult for non-Serbians. Hekerui (talk) 17:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Sadly I think not. These magazines are in paper format. I never found any of the articles in their Website editions because they only put important headline articles on their sites. But I can scan every article to verify this information. You can easily contact any of these journalists over the magazine websites and ask them to verify the articles. I don't know what else I can do to prove that this band is really well-known in the underground culture of Serbia and region and that the information presented here is correct. I can upload television interviews or something else somewhere and pass you the links but the problem is that it's all in Serbian. All the references and information about the magazine articles and journalists is correct, it's really no bother for me to scan the articles and pass them to you just to verify this content here. Magazines that I've listed are in the top 10 of the Serbian well-known magazines. Dnevnik exists for more than 50 years. All the others exist for more than 20 years. They are notable and magazines with a very big numbers of printed copies. I think every one of these is printed in more than 2 million copies every day. Nocturne Magazine is sold in small amounts. I've found the front cover and information about the issue here, you can see that dreddup is listed on the front page and in the interview information: http://www.nocturnemagazine.net/izdanja/10.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihajlo219 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It is understandably difficult to find English sources for groups that are Serbia-centric. I think we should assume good faith now that reliable sources are there and keep the main article, provided the articles are actually about the group and you can add the page numbers for the articles. The album articles should be treated independent from the main article in my opinion. Hekerui (talk) 21:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  00:18, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Ok. I added the correct page numbers for the articles. I'll see to contact these newspapers and find out if it is possible that they have some online archive to where the link should lead people to read the whole article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mihajlo219 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.