Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dream Disciples


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was KEEP. feydey 08:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Dream Disciples
Non-notable band per standards in WP:MUSIC --Vengeful Cynic 12:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment I think this can be expanded. Keep it a stub. They have been featured in many a goth fanzine/mag, are a mainstay of some goth DJs setlists, and are distributed by Metropolis. However, I'm a fairly big goth music fan... Missvain 16:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Dream Disciples have toured the UK and Europe many times and have played at the huge WGT music festival in Germany and headlined the Whitby Gothic Weekend in England; they have released several albums on indie labels; they have been featured in many music magazines and had at least one member who was once a part of a band that is otherwise notable. This is a band that easily satisfies the notabilty criteria. Constantine-x
 * Please cite specifics and give some sort of sourcing. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I've had a hard time finding any definitive information source to indicate notability.  Releasing albums on non-notable indie labels is not notable.  Features in non-notable magazines is also not notable.  I'm not unwilling to bow to reason here, I'm searching for some legitimate citations that I can point to and say "this is why I am working to fix this piece of crap article instead of deleting it."  --Vengeful Cynic 19:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A band only has to satisfy one of the criteria in order to be 'notable'. Having a member from an otherwise notable band means that this band meets the required standard. I would also suggest that Resurrection Records is a 'notable' indie label given that they include the likes of Inkubus Sukkubus on their roster. -- Constantine-x 16 June 2006


 * Delete per nom. Expanded or no, still nn band.  Tychocat 20:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This AfD is being relisted to generate a more thorough discussion, so that a decision may usefully be reached. Please add new discussion below this notice. Thanks! bainer (talk) 08:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tychocat. --Coredesat 10:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Leave as stub, allow for expansion. Parsssseltongue 16:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Constantine-x. Jumbo Snails 19:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I've added details of Dream Disciples playing Eurorock (Belgium) and Whitby Gothic Weekend (England), in addition to touring around Germany, Holland, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, and the Czech Republic. Hexene 21:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Given the European tours, albums spanning a decade, link to another notable band (via Karl North) and presence outside of mass media traditions (mention in the last two Mick Mercer books plus goth magazines -- "publications devoted to a notable sub-culture") I believe they fulfil at least five of the listed Wikipedia criteria to be notable. 80.189.249.6 21:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above Scented Guano 05:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep due to the above reasons 10:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep due to the previous reeasons, popular band of many years links to other notable bands in the goth gnre. Brett 21:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep they are very notable in their genre, Wikipedia has always ensured coveradge for Indie/Cult/Genre culture as well as the mainstream. I assume no-one is suggesting that only bands/films/books that make the top 20 in their respective sales/box office chart are worthy of inclusion. Gonzo 10:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Dream Disciples were Signed to Dik Brothers records, the label owned by Fish of Marillion and did a 100+ Date tour supporting Fish in the Early 90s
 * Comment That would be Dick Bros Record Company (Fish's real name is Derek Dick). -- Constantine 20:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep: notable band on the UK gothic scene in the 1990s and early 2000s. Extensive touring, signed to major UK goth independent label, sold a decent number of records for a minority genre band. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I must add that Dream Disciples pulled a crowd nearly as big as Rosetta Stone at the Mercat in Birmingham on some occasions, although that's not really a Wikipedia-sourced statistic! I do suspect that if you were in the UK goth scene in the mid 1990s you can't have failed to have heard of them; they were one of the most prolifically touring bands and had quite a following. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per Constantine-x. Strobie 18:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.