Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dreams of Deception


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete, with no prejudice toward recreation if sources can be found (albeit unlikely). Sr13 03:31, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Dreams of Deception

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 * 1) WP:NOTE: No coverage anywhere at all.
 * 2) WP:CITE: Again, no sources at all. The only source is the creator of the article, which leads us to
 * 3) WP:COI, so it can be considered as advertising/spam.
 * 4) It's also either a copyright infringement, or the creator releases all the information under the GNU Free Documentation License. Basically, some guy (I doubt 'Seed Entertainment' is a registered company) decided to make a game and create an article about it before at least creating a homepage for it. This should have been speed deleted IMO.--Svetovid 19:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * What can i do to prevent this page from being deleted? It has everything the other future game pages have. What is mine missing. Please do not delete it, but tell me what i can do to fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCanuck42 (talk • contribs)
 * Please read About and the subsequent pages.--Svetovid 19:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also try reading this. meshach 00:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. As per nom. Basically Wikipedia is not MySpace.--Edtropolis 19:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as NN. Wiki is not a webspace provider.  No evidence that it meets WP:N. meshach 20:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - No evidence that it meets WP:N. Rgds, - Trident13 22:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete —  Per very structured nom. The article is purely OR, so it needs some independent source (which I couldn't find). *Cremepuff  222*  01:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete- per all of the above. Eddie  01:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete per WP:OR. If some verifiable sources or references can be found, I would change my vote, although such sources being found seems unlikely. Clamster 01:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. QuagmireDog 03:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I will link the images and content to the seed entertainment website shortly, which is not a company, but more of a small business. I will notify you all when i have finished. thanks in advance.

Ok, i have made a link to the seed entertainment business website. Please verify. http://trent.seedentertainment.googlepages.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCanuck42 (talk • contribs)


 * Comment -- I notice that the page has a copyright statement buried in it now, saying "All names, logos, and other game play aspects Copyright(C)2007 Seed Entertainment. All Rights Reserved.". How much of the article content is copyrighted by Seed and is therefore not allowed on Wikipedia due to GFDL incompatibility? From what I can see, probably nearly the whole article. -- ArglebargleIV 21:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Upon a bit of research I should have done earlier, I've deleted the entire Game Description section -- it's directly lifted from http://trent.seedentertainment.googlepages.com/seedentertainment-projects with incompatible licensing. -- ArglebargleIV 22:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

If i am the author of the text and a representer of seed entertainment, is it still against copyright? I can't copy my own work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TCanuck42 (talk • contribs)

The verified author of the work has to explicitly release that under the GFDL, and that may not be enough. Evn so, the text was promotional ranther than descriptive in nature. -- ArglebargleIV 22:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Please go to http://trent.seedentertainment.googlepages.com. The copyright has been updated to allow reposting as long as accreditation is given to seed entertainment.


 * Delete - Seem to be vanispamcruftisement. No reliable secondary sources etc etc. DarkSaber2k 11:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

This article should not be deleted. Even though it was posted by the business who's product it is, are the others any better. Even though other people posted reviews about other future games, are they not promoting or executing vanispamcruftisement for the company who created the game? It is not like this is a false article with stolen information. I do not have large texts saying "buy this!" or "visit seed entertainment". I simply posted the facts and details about the product. If people are interested, then great. When i read other future game articles, i sometimes too become interested in that game. Please do not delete it from all of the reasons just mentioned.
 * Please keep you arguments away from WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and keep it relevent to this article and the problems with it raised in this afd. DarkSaber2k 07:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.