Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drew Roy (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Disagreement over whether the article meets the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Drew Roy
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Since previous AfD ("delete" in July 2009), Roy has had three more minor roles and we have one independent source, in his hometown newspaper. Still not notable, IMO. SummerPhD (talk) 02:07, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - has credits in multiple notable productions, but all for minor roles and so still fails WP:ENTERTAINER. Thparkth (talk) 02:59, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and would an admin please check if this qualifies for WP:G4? -- N  Y  Kevin  @241, i.e. 04:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind G4, it doesn't apply. -- N  Y  Kevin  @293, i.e. 06:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - At some point, an entertainer makes the transition between unnotable and notable. Google searches for this actor by name return over 50,000 results, most of whch are actually about him. A Google image search returns over 16,000 image results. His fan base is growing at a consistent rate (though I am not certain at what point that becomes a "large fan base or a significant 'cult' following".  He is getting progressively higher billing with each project.  He has already progressed to larger roles than many of the other recurring characters on the same television shows, and their wikipedia pages have not been deleted.  I am the primary author and I'd like to see the wikipedia contributors give this article more than a few days to develop. I had to ask for a permanent deletion to be cleared in order to get it to this point.  Others who were probably interested in contributing to an article about him haven't had an opportunity to do so due to the previous deletion, and I believe they will do so given the opportunity. I disagree with the fast-track deletion for this reason. Steventhomas42 (talk) 20:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Yes, people can and do go from being non-notable to being notable (obviously, as most are not notable at birth). However, to make someone notable in Wikipedia terms, we need substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. So far, I see no evidence of this. Yes, someone with minor roles in notable productions will get a bunch of hits on Google. This is not the same thing. Currently, the article has the sources I saw: a network's promotional page (not an independent source), a hometown newspaper and a bare mention in an MTV article. If there is substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, please add it to the article of list it here. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:19, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Now the sources include those previously discussed and two more primary sources his myspace and twitter accounts. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - My two cents in favor of keeping.

I don't get why you dismiss his guest star role in iCarly and Hannah Montana. It wasn't like he played "Boy in Park #2"... he was the love interest of both of the main characters (Carly and Hannah) and he had recurring episodes, it wasn't just one episode stints. Infact, he appears in the latest Hannah Montana episode. It is his fourth reappearance over two seasons.

Also, In Falling Skies, Drew will play the lead character's eldest son. He is also pictured at the front of some of the released promo shots which implies he will feature prominently throughout the series and is not some background character. http://filmreviewonline.com/wp-content/gallery/falling-skies/falling-skies_27_moon-bloodgood-jessy-schram-drew-roy-and-noah-wyle_phken-woroner.jpg This makes me believe he will be a main character.

His role as Seth Hancock in Secretariat was important enough to have him be interviewed for it. I have not seen the film myself, so I cannot comment how much he is in it.

I found two Independent sources - Interviews about Secretariat

http://www.disneydreaming.com/2010/10/06/interview-with-drew-roy-from-walt-disney-pictures-secretariat/

http://www.traileraddict.com/trailer/secretariat/interview-drew-roy

He has been featured four times in the past year on a popular gossip media site which can't be linked to because it is blacklisted by wikipedia, however if you do a Google search it should not be that hard to find. --PetalPita (talk) 05:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC) Keep - Minor celebrity Webhat (talk) 20:58, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - its got a few cites, minor celb notability, gets a decent amount of traffic, more notable that girt with a single playgirl photo shoot model. Off2riorob (talk) 18:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Those "few cites" are: his Twitter account, his hometown newspaper, his MySpace account, a dead link to a non-notable newspaper (with an article title that doesn't mention him), an MTV link that mentions him in passing (but says nothing about him) and a link to the network of one of the shows which, as if to drive the point home, does not mention him. The "decent amount of traffic" is moot, as is the "girt [sic] with a single playgirl [sic] photo shoot [sic] model" (see WP:N and WP:WAX). - SummerPhD (talk) 00:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I repaired that non working link here - Off2riorob (talk) 00:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In my comment above, strike "a dead link...him)" and change "his hometown newspaper" to "his hometown newspapers". - SummerPhD (talk) 01:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * and also added this most beautiful man.com
 * - I've removed the blog as a non-reliable site that (likely) violates copyright on the numerous photos used "courtesy of" various sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:32, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.