Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drew money


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The result was   delete. X clamation point  06:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Drew money

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Article was tagged for tags were removed and three references added, but claims to meet WP:MUSIC still very weak. One link is broken, and the other two are what I would call trivial coverage (one list of tracks he has helped produced, the other listing him as one of several people who produced music for a video game). I'm not too familiar with the business of music production, so I'm open to arguments of why he would count as notable within the music production business, but, at the moment, I'm afraid to say this looks like an article intended to promote the individual's career. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 20:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC) He has 4 producer credits on major albums as well as programming which is basically the same thing. Did you even read the whole thing?--216.189.162.176 (talk) 17:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability is not established. Possible spam. --Sloane (talk) 22:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No evidence of notability. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 00:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Added more references and fixed broken link. this is a notable producer.--Damunnyman (talk) 01:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - He fails claim to meet WP:MUSIC because he is not a musician, he is a music engineer (aka Entertainment industry), and a notable one at that. The fact that he is credited in numerous notable productions is what is required to establish notability per WP:ENTERTAINER. See the current helpful discussion at Sonia Darrin
 * But he's a producer and engineer--Damunnyman (talk) 06:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem is that WP:ENTERTAINER is aimed at other front-of-stage people, such as actors, comedians etc. I don't believe it was ever the intention to apply this rule to back-room contributors. I admit the lack of any guidelines for people who work behind the scenes doesn't help this discussion, but that's what AfDs are for, to make decisions in these matters. Having looked through the new references (only a quick one, I admit), all I can find are credits of "engineer" to several notable albums and an article about him in a university alumni magazine, and, at the moment, I don't think it's enough - notability has never been about association with big names. It's a promising career though, maybe he'll meet notability standards in a few years' time. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 08:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * But he does meet the criteria for musician under WP:MUSIC including his work on Grammy nominated albums as well as platinum album sales.--Damunnyman (talk) 09:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * However, being a member of a notable band explicitly does not confer notability on that individual, so I don't see how working as a sound engineer for a song can count as notability. Okay, WP:MUSIC does say that an individual who has been a member of two or more notable bands is generally enough to confer notability, but that's a whole different league to having been an engineer for two or more notable artists. Being the producer of several award-winning albums would be a different matter, but I've not seen anything in the article to back up credentials as a producer. Come back with that and Drew Money will be in a better position to have an article. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 09:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - the article is now splatted full of references, but none of them establish notability. All that it really establishes is that he has a job in the recording industry. -- Whpq (talk) 21:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


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