Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drifting (1983 film)


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Drifting (1983 film)
The result was Keep - nomination withdrawn, one of two deletes ( SWik78 ) has changed to keep - (non-admin close) --T-rex 04:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


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No assertion that this passes Notability_(films), unsourced, no IMDB listing, filmmaker and all involved actors are redlinked. Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 19:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed to keep per this, thanks to whoever found it! Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 03:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.   — Cliff smith  talk  19:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * KEEP! In terms of LGBT Media and Cinema, Drifting was the first gay-themed moved made in and by Isarelis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Browned (talk • contribs)
 * Can you provide a reference of that fact? Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 19:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And even with that, it still doesn't seem to pass these guidelines Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 19:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

****Sorry, but what does this link prove? SWik78 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Nevermind, I should have looked a little closer. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC) *Keep. Again, this was the first Israeli gay-themed film. Aside from the several reviews of the film in the straight and gay press, it was also talked about in the book titled, "Arab And Jews Wounded Spirits In A Promised Land" By David K. Shipler. It does have an Internet Movie Database Entry, for its Hebrew title. At least one of the actors was fairly notable in Israel. User: Browned.
 * Delete. Of the two references provided, one requires a subscription, and the other, while it is a genuine New York Times article, does little to establish the film's notability. The absence of an IMDB listing should be addressed as well. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 19:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep The NYT review is a good source, and it's highly unlikely that they were the only newspaper to review the film. For the record, it is listed at IMDB: . Zagalejo^^^ 19:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding it. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 19:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It was already there, actually. Here's another review (though I can't access the whole thing): . Zagalejo^^^ 19:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's Variety: . Zagalejo^^^ 19:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete changed to Keep (see below) IMDB listing does little to help establish notability. The film was released in only one city in the English speaking world in 1983 and has only one critical review listed on IMDB. There are no entries for the film at Box Office Mojo to establish a wide release nor at RottenTomatoes to provide multiple reviews by film critics. There is no indication of the film’s influence on its genre nor inclusion within any national film archive. All in all, the film fails all points of notability listed in Notability (films). SWik78 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Reviews in the New York Times and the Phildelphia Inquirer are enough to establish notability. 23skidoo (talk) 20:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong, swift & speedy keep. Notability is proven by the sources provided above (not least the NY Times), and I've found aditional coverage in the Bright Lights Film Journal. A landmark film in Arab-Israeli gay cinema for which we should plainly have an article, by a notable director who would easily meet WP:BIO should someone care to write an article for him too. PC78 (talk) 20:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Please note that Speedy keep does not apply here. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of LGBT related deletions. PC78 (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Per this link provided by PC78. SWik78 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notabilty has been established. Do suggest further sorcing, but it passes. Schmidt (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Proved notability, needs cleanup however.   Ndenison  talk  21:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep A theatrically released film is notable. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.