Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Driss Temsamani


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Driss Temsamani

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Unremarkable "marketing expert". Article created by self-admitted employee. Profiled (not as author, marketing expert, or community organizer) in French-language magazine, passing mention in another French-language article. Twice deleted as WP:CSD. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion/Comment I found several articles on the internet by Moroccan and US publications where person "Driss Temsamani" is interviewed as expert in the field, , , .--Sim Hayune (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. In addition to the poor French coverage, there are only passing mentions in the few English articles available on-line, yet this guy has been in the "e-marketing" business for eight years now. Ottre 14:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Confused about the reference to a self-admitted employee? Who are you referring to please so that I can answer. --Youssef Omali (talk) 22:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Both Telquel Magazine and Essor Magazine are leading magazines in Morocco and they were not passing reference. Telquel went over who the person was and his contributions of success stories and the Essor Magazine has 3 full pages of 18 years of contribution to the community. --Youssef Omali (talk) 22:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't speak the language, so may have been mistaken in regards to the French coverage. Normally I try to stress features from magazine over newspaper/newsletter articles. Here, my original point remains though: subject is not notable as a Moroccan-American or Moroccan-American businessman because there is no evidence of lasting, third-party coverage of him in English, as one would expect for a particularly successful/innovative marketing exec of his position. Quite simply, the waifan.com biography is not a reliable source, and none of the other mentions warrant inclusion. Ottre 02:36, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Thank you for clarifying, there are many expert people in many fields and I agree with you about long coverage by american media but the notability point is exactly that. This is a Moroccan immigrant to the USA who has established him self as a Community Organizer (Elected President last year for the Moroccan American Coalition, Founder of SOS Morocco) and Published Author. If you listen to the interview by the People speak radio Driss Temasamani Autobiography Interview with [[The People Speak Radio Interview in English]], you will see how relevant is to the American media a positive story of an immigrant. With President Barak Obama taking office, the work is open to the examples of first, second and third generations of immigrants who get established in the USA and contribute in a positive way.--Youssef Omali (talk) 19:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am confused about the media coverage comment. So the american media coverage has more weigh an lets say media coverage in Morocco like all the once noted? The Moroccan American adjective refers to a status not an expertise that needs coverage. What I am saying is that the Moroccan media is interestedf to cover its citizens that have succeeded more than american media. Those of us who live in the USA know who it works. Not all those who should be covered by american media are. Its a matter of "what's the story" and "the flavor of the moth". Anyhow thats for another discussion. My point is there are many Moroccan Americans in Wikipedia today not because they have been covered by american media but because they are relevant to their communities and have contributed to the establishment of these communities. --Youssef Omali (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did not get the part about article being written in poor french. The 2 magazine are one of the leading media channels in Morocco. A country where French is spoken as the administrative language. Maybe I am miss-reading your comments but I hope that's not what you meant.--Youssef Omali (talk) 22:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The word marketing expert was use by 2 journalist to describe this person. If that's not allowed by wikipedia the words can be changed but why delete the article? Also, this is s Moroccan American and that is the language used by Journalists in Morocco? How about ABC news and People Speak Radio when they talked about this person as a Marketing Expert and Community organizer? Why was not that taking in consideration? --Youssef Omali (talk) 16:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete = The sparse references in things like ABC are passing mentions. Flopsy Mopsy and Cottonmouth (talk) 16:43, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree on the ABS interview and I removed it as well as the one from Le Matin the leading news paper of Morocco talking about DrissTemsamani being elected President of the Moroccan American Coalition. But not the articles from Telquel Magazine and Essor Magazine. The articles were a full description of achievements and distinguishing the work done buy a Moroccan national leaving in the USA. Essor has several pages covering about 18 years of this person's work. There are several examples of approved articles in Wikipedia of people in the same category. What am I missing or are there other reasons to wan to delete this page beyond achievements and relevance? --Youssef Omali (talk) 22:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose deletion/Comment There are many sources about the person "Driss Temsamani" beside those submitted by article creator you will find his biography and work in all major Moroccan media channels, --Sim Hayune (talk) 00:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

, sources in both articles making mention of his audition for the job on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno set and his audition in general. Furthermore, Conan (at that time) was an unknown, as opposed to the others who auditioned for the job. I think if we're going to have an image of Conan O'Brien in either the Late Night or his own article, it would provide a historically significant look into how he looked back then to include the image that was deleted. Also, the policy-based discussions made no sense. There were only four and they all brought up the same point. There was no further support of the deletion claims, and the "Keep" comments (which did outweigh them with a vast majority" lent credence that the image should've been kept. With only four "Delete" comments and a total of 12 "Keep" and two "Strong keep" arguments, common sense says that the consensus of the discussion was to keep the image, not delete it. Srosenow 98 (talk) 21:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Nomination is an example of Ethnocentrism. Non-english sources are more difficult to locate using a google search. If he were an American I suggest that we would not be having this discussion. Esasus (talk) 03:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He lives in the US. His book was published in English, in the US. I'm not sure how ethnocentrism factors into this, particularly when you have no idea of the location, background, or ethnicity of the editors suggesting deletion. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for making the point about Ethnocentrism. Although some of the references are foreign media (still very reputable ones like Telquel Magazine and Essor Magazine), one of the main reason of relevance of the person is that he is one of the first Moroccan Americans to publish a book in english in the USA. I also should point to the fact that there are other Moroccan Americans today with live published pages in Wikipedia with similar background and references that were not disputed. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding. --Youssef Omali (talk) 19:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)