Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drones (Muse album)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 22:48, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Drones (Muse album)

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The album this article covers hasn't been announced yet. Its sources are reporting a pre-announcement marketing campaign; no album or album title has been announced. WP:CRYSTALBALL applies. Popcornduff (talk) 23:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Delete. So far it's just speculation. Coltsfan (talk) 01:00, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
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 Redirect  to Muse discography until there is official confirmation. I don't see a reason why it should be deleted all together. The sources listed in the article agree that it's the album title (and not e.g. a title of a lead single). —  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 12:49, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The sources are jumping to conclusions. They use headlines like "Muse confirm seventh album, Drones", but all that's happened, as reported by these sources, is that Muse have used the hashtag "MuseDrones". That could be anything - an album title, a song title, a reference to lyrics or artwork, or just a marketing campaign. I concede that it's likely to be the album title, but until there is an official announcement, I think we have to assume the subject matter doesn't exist and delete the article, not redirect it. We redirect things that exist in some form. Popcornduff (talk) 13:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There is the hashtag, and there is the Instagram video, "which reads 'Artist: Muse. Album: Drones'.". Apart from the lead section of the arcticle in question, there is also the "Recording" section that I started, which has little to do with the album title and discusses the producer, recording locations and album themes. That section can be expanded further, as multiple sources on those topics already exist. Maybe the article could be renamed "Muse's seventh studio album" or something, and could say that it is rumored to be titled Drones, but I still think it doesn't need to be deleted. —  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 14:50, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * "... until there is an official announcement, I think we have to assume the subject matter doesn't exist and delete the article, not redirect it. We redirect things that exist in some form." – Actually, I think that an official announcement doesn't necessarily mean that the work in question does exist ;) So let me ask this: when should a new article for an album be started? When the album title is announced, when the release date is announced, or when the album itself is released? What if the album title and the release date aren't known yet, but there are already multiple sources describing the recording process? Per WP:NALBUMS, the subject should be "the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble who created it." In my opinion, that's the case here. —  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 14:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right on a few points here. There have been more things to report than just the hashtag. Obviously the work does exist in some form, but from an encyclopaedic perspective, there's nothing to cover until an announcement is made. The article should be created when we have an official announcement from the band or label of a new album being released and no sooner, and even then possibly only when there's sufficient detail to cover it. It's not enough that we know something has been recorded - we knew Muse started recording stuff months ago but that wasn't the time to make the page. Of course this debate is likely to become redundant very soon when the album is announced and inevitably named Drones.Popcornduff (talk) 16:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Keep Matt Mahurin said on his blog that he is the album artwork designer and that the album is titled Drones. Aria1561 (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Good to know, thanks!.  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 16:26, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Keep, per Muse bassist Christopher Wolstenholme's Twitter: "New album Drones coming soon." —  Ma y ast  ( talk ) 19:29, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Keep, The album name and informations are correct, maybe it was a little earlier to be posted on wikipedia, but as of the moment, there is no reason to delete the article. OussDB (talk) 01:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
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