Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drop Goblin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:21, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Drop Goblin

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Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG.  Ish dar  ian  00:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I can't find any non-trivial coverage in reliable sources, so I cannot see how this guy meets the guidelines for inclusion set out at WP:MUSICBIO. — sparklism hey! 08:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. As far as literal and needed criteria to be eligible for Wiki, though not a large amount, he does, in fact meet the music artist notability criteria WP:MUSICBIO Criteria for musicians and ensembles - #5: Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels) along with releasing and working with other notable and page approved artists on noted various indie labels and retail store releases connected with Reid Speed and Nick Pittsinger as well as Excision. He is also linked to other notable artist's pages, as well as worked with the very notable band Alestorm more than once. And that's just by looking on the artist page. I have also seen an article on him on FEARnet, the biggest horror/dark themed music site on the planet. To be honest administrators, I have seen other pages with far less that have lasted for years on Wiki. I would like to see his page remain and grow. Hopefully my input helps. TheTic123 (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2013 (UTC) — TheTic123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Link to the FEARnet article mentioned above to confirm additional notability discovered http://www.fearnet.com/news/review/drop-goblin-gate-%E2%80%93-ep-review TheTic123 (talk) 19:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. I took a quick look and the above claims are confirmed, I see that he has released in fact on Ultragore Recordings that also released for Nick Pittsinger as well as his release's and long time connection with Reid Speed and Excision. Everything looks valid Tracygeorge (talk) 21:20, 4 June 2013 (UTC) — Tracygeorge (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Has not released any albums on an important label as described by WP:MUSIC. Three questionably notable artists is not a roster of many notable artists. Above claims lack independent verification. Notability is not inherited from his connection with others. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. All due respect Duffbeerforme you can't make a solidly sounding claim that the above mentioned names are questionably notable as I urge you to research who you are talking about as these names are extremely famous in the electronic dance music industry. Drop Goblin has released and worked with all the above and there are 100% proven claims if you check the talk page where links to these claims are proven. Your delete request is based on all presumptions which I don't understand why as there are rules to qualify for notability that he meets. Even if minimal. Listing number 5 makes his viability solid as the article states that music notability must have at least one (1) of the listed requirements. And even the administrator who created this AFD can't contest that. You forget to realize wiki is based on literal facts, not presumable ones. TheTic123 (talk) 03:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see how this meets any criteria of WP:NMUSIC. Criteria 5 defines "important indie label" as "an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable."  The two labels mentioned do not meet this criteria.  Ultragore recordings is only mentioned on one page, Nick Pittsinger.  All six artists who have released albums/EPs/etc with Play Me Records appear to have done so in 2010 or later (not "more than a few years").  Howicus (talk) 04:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just to get it out of the way I am and have been a fan of Drop Goblin since before he was that name and upon discovering his wiki I wanted to help clean it up and help how I can. That said its a bit frustrating when people not well versed in the business but take it upon themselves to take a role in trying to look like they know the facts. And this above delete comment is as frustrating as it gets. Please go to the billboard equivalent for edm www.beatport.com search for play me records and ultragore (anyone reading this should too so he can't say I'm wrong) and then come back here and say these are old or obsolete labels (play me owner reid speed was nominated in the top 100 DJs of all times today actually (I think it was through DJ times magazine) . Anyways I ask any admins or peers that want to contribute to this consensus forum to have the strong knowledge of the business this man is part of. A "backseat" driver that does a quick google search would be unfair to all the work Drop Goblin has done in all these years. He has earned his dues. That's all I really have left to say. The rest is up to the deciding admin. Good luck DG TheTic123 (talk) 04:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that the labels are old or obsolete. Just the opposite, actually.  I'm saying that they're too new and/or don't have enough notable artists on the label. Also, Reid Speed's nomination does not affect the notability of her record label (per WP:NOTINHERITED. Howicus (talk) 14:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Originaly I was planning to say what I last said and just let nature take its course, but seeing how I have noticed on many other pages like this where someone just drops a reason of deletion or other reasons with no personality cept' for being cold and monotone'ly general (unfortunately I think that's why many admins have a bad reputation due to their lack of personality and cold like decisions they make with not much (maybe some) care.), seeing you come back to respectively clarify makes me feel like a humble nod should go your way. A fan as I am and just a general helper to clean up this new page (ie: un-orphanizing it, and seeking out label names to add to the releases.) I just have one request to the deciding admin and I know this is most likely meaningless to the admin that has the "over sensitive" delete button at their fingertips, but based on the timeline of his existence and the things he has done, even if just a few things can be linked to other wikie pages and the rest is just open air information that does have some progressing significance (just not linked to wiki), I would ask that you keep this page, even if monitored for a small while, to allow it to grow before making a hasty decision to delete. As I stated a few comments above this, there are some pages with far less content and less timeline history that have survived this website for years. Now I am starting to look like a over excited fan as opposed to someone just wanting to help, so I will end it there =) TheTic123 (talk) 15:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Notability has not been established in accordance with general notability guidelines or topical guidelines (WP:MUSICBIO). Best regards, Cindy  ( talk ) 00:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. All this promotional sounding material still doesn't make him notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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