Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dropknee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Dropknee

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Contested PROD. A description of a type of bodyboarding that does not seem to have sufficient notability for its own article. I have worked to clean up the article a bit but the more I work with it the less I feel that the subject is notable. I removed a couple of spammy references; those that are left are 1) a description of dropknee from a list of bodyboarding maneuvres (some of the text in the article is still a copyvio from that site, though I've removed some of it); 2) a link to fluidzone.com which is not immediately apparent as a reliable source (look at their About us page) - this link is claimed to reference information about the Dropknee World champion, but the information on the site doesn't mention world championships at all; and 3) the site of the competition "Dropknee sessions", used as a reference for that competition, so not a secondary source at all.

I don't doubt that the style exists but as yet there does not seem to be independent notability for it. I would suggest merging the salvageable information from this article into bodyboarding (where it is already mentioned), providing it can be referenced properly.

Note also that Matt Lackey is up for another AfD, and I'm considering also nominating Paul Roach. Those two articles about Dropknee riders have been around for several years without getting any proper sources outside the same websites used to reference Dropknee, which also makes me doubt the notability of the sport itself. bonadea contributions talk 09:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  -- Fæ (talk) 12:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * See also Articles for deletion/Paul Roach. Related but not intrinsically linked AfD about a Dropknee rider. --bonadea contributions talk 08:21, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that the article's creator posted to the article's talk page after this AfD had been created, arguing that it should be kept, so I'll take the liberty to copy it below. --bonadea contributions talk 08:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Dropknee is certainly a sport. The sport is still in its developing stage and hence there are not many reliable sources for the sport. However there is a new website to be released in about a month devoted completely to dropknee and hopefully will have an array of references for the page. Dropknee is considered as a subdivision of bodyboarding however it is actually quite different which is why i originally created the page. The style of riding/method of riding in dropknee differs greatly to bodyboarding and hence a seperate page was neccesary. I recommended that you reconsider your decision to delete the page. I will continue to work on finding reliable sources to further demonstrate the importance/existence/notability of dropknee. I guarantee you that it is a notable sport and is rapidly growing. In regards to the page on Matt Lackey and Paul Roach they do certainly deserve pages. They are both world famous dropkneers. I also ask you to reconsider your decision you have made on those pages. I will continue to find reliable sources for these two pages also. Thankyou, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlync81 (talk • contribs) 12:20, November 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is no doubt that dropknee exists - the issue is whether it is notable or not. All Wikipedia articles need verifiable secondary sources ; unfortunately a brand-new website is unlikely to qualify as a reliable source - it would depend on who was behind the site, of course. Basically, what is needed here are references from newspapers, books or reliable websites that qualify as secondary sources. I realise that that is hard for a new sport, but unfortunately that's how Wikipedia works - the notability has to be there first. --bonadea contributions talk 12:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Here are some links to reliable newspapers/magazines/websites which qualify dropknee as a notable source: If i was to incorporate these links (and others) into the article and improve the article in general would it be accepted as a notable source? I will also do the same for the articles on Matt Lackey and Paul Roach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlync81 (talk • contribs) 02:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/20/sp/FP601200351.html
 * http://www.riptidemag.com.au/tv/27-riptide-tv/1628-riptide-tv-mason-dk-clinic
 * http://www.fluidzone.com/galleries/1476-dropknee-lives


 * Weak delete, currently lacks substantial coverage in reliable sources. As to the abovementioned ones, the Honolulu Advertiser link is OK, but the second link just reproduces somebody's e-mail (i.e, it's an opinion piece) and the third link's coverage appears to be trivial.  Sandstein   11:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, practitioners are all relinks, and it's a new surfing technique with insufficient sourcing. Abductive  (reasoning) 12:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
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