Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dru Hepkins


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 02:46, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Dru Hepkins

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Self published article about a non-notable artist. Fails WP:GNG with no Google News Hits and few hits on a Google News Archives search. The only hits are articles that he had some part in writing and one small article from a source of questionable notability and independence from the subject. Fails all 12 points of WP:MUSICBIO as he hasn't published an album, gone on tour, or had any music played on the radio. Fails all points of WP:NTRACK as none of his track accomplishments happened outside of high school. None of the reviews he wrote satisfy WP:AUTHOR. In my opinion, the closest the subject comes to satisfying an inclusion guideline is point 6 of WP:BAND in that he worked with DJ Disciple who is a claimed Grammy nominated house DJ. I can't find that DJ Disciple was ever nominated for a Grammy and even if he had, Dru Hepkins isn't in an ensemble with DJ Disciple having only created one song and I can't even find a reference for that.

Additionally, the article may need salted as the article is being repeatedly recreated. Ol Yeller '''Talktome 19:24, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete: principal claim of notability is the collaboration with a Grammy-nominated artist by the name of David Banks or 'DJ Disciple'. This nomination appears to be a fabrication. Banks was allegedly nominated in 2002, according to a Google profile, but there's no mention of him on a complete list of nominations, published by CBS, in 2002. I agree that the article space should be salted. Counter-arguments are provided below and on the talk page, but they only serve to confirm the conflict of interest (WP:COI) that the article creator has. Mephistophelian (talk) 22:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Based on Wikipedia's guidelines, below are the reasons why deletion is unwarranted and should aborted:

'''• This biography of a living person needs additional references or sources for verification. Tagged since May 2011.'''

''He did that in the talk page. He posted extensive press seen below on this page. The suggestion that he had part in writing his own articles is silly and baseless. He had a relationship with only 1 of the magazines that featured him. In one magazine, he used to be a contributor which the magazine stated, and this was years after he left the magazine. They did a feature on Dru Hepkins explaining that they are now proudly featuring Dru the artist, not the contributor, it wasn't anything hidden. Regardless, choosing to point this out only further validates him for a page because he also listed himself as a writer, and that was one of the publications he wrote for.

'''• The notability of this article's subject is in question. If notability cannot be established be listed for deletion or removed.''' Tagged since May 2011.

''Ditto. He posted extensive press and label info on talk page seen below. The writer above is incorrect. He did publish an album and his songs are on several dance compilations internationally, released from various labels. There is a link below with label listing. Also, writer above doesn't understand that Dru Hepkins is an "underground" and international artist. His music has been played on the radio consistently in Spain, Italy, and around the world. Not so much US stations except for internet radio and AM stations. His music is also played in House clubs internationally, and his song was acknowledged by Roger Sanchez on his Radio show. Above writer claims Dru Hepkins hasn't been on the radio, but footage of Roger Sanchez playing Dru's song "Red Light" on the radio is on Youtube with over 10,000 views. He is an underground artist with a House, Electronic, and Alternative following. He is not Justin Beiber. Also, discrediting the achievements of the DJ, whether he was Grammy nominated or not, he still had House hit records internationally for years. That isn't a fabrication.''

'''• It is written like an advertisement and needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view. Tagged since May 2011'''

''It is not written as an advertisement in any way shape or form. That charge isn’t reasonable. It simple says that he is an artist and underground music producer, doesn’t say great one, doesn’t say good one. It says he released music with DJ Disciple, which he did and provided proof on the talk page. It’s says his song was “the hot down load pick”, because it was. That’s what it was chosen as on the radio show, he isn’t saying his song “is” a hot download pick, it was “the” hot download pick on the show. It’s a ritualistic moniker of the radio station awarded to one specific song monthly. It says he was a track star that holds school records, which he was and provided proof of that as well. He still holds several school records in both schools to this day. This is no advertisement. It’s matter fact, to the point and fair.''

'''• Very few or no other articles link to it. Please help introduce links to this page from other articles related to it. Tagged since May 2011.'''

Several names in the bio link to other pages on Wikipedia.

• It is an autobiography... ''

It wasn’t written by him but but an artist manager.

Below are links to press references of Dru Hepkins'''

There are 81,500 web references for Dru Hepkins. Here is a few below.

PRESS SI LIVE: http://blog.silive.com/marooned/2007/10/ladies_and_gentlemen_dru_hepki.html

LABEL INFO: http://www.discogs.com/DJ-Disciple-Dru-Hepkins-When-I-Die/release/1797120

WAGNER COLLEGE SCHOOL RECORDS: http://www.wagnerathletics.com/documents/2011/3/9/Men_All_Time61.pdf

ANDREW HEPKINS TRACK STATS AND PRESS: http://www.wix.com/druhepkins/personal#!the-athlete

PRESS WWS MAGAZINE: http://wwsmag.com/updates/dru-hepkins-electric-lady/ http://www.silive.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2008/08/dru_hepkins_goes_house.html

http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&cr=titles&cv=28299&fc=tpage

PRESS MVREMIX: http://mvremix.com/urban_blogs/2008/03/11/dru-hepkins-sit-and-wait-to-die-video/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockult (talk • contribs) 18:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

REMIX WITH 50 Cent & LUPE FIASCO: http://www.thisis50.com/video/blow-episode-2-dru-hepkins

http://www.mvremix.com/urban/interviews/dru_hepkins.shtml

"RED LIGHT" ON ROGER SANCHEZ RADIO SHOW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud2yOdmj5H8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXxddj6sbSk

http://www.amazon.com/Declamation-of-Useless-Genius-Explicit/dp/B000XP9DM8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockult (talk • contribs) 15:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

— Rockult (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

— Allison Genisis (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - I agree the account should not be deleted. It’s true that Wikipedia does have to abide by strict guidelines and make sure everyone has a legitimate reason to be included. However, Wikipedia shouldn’t become too snobbish and red tape-ish, and pluck out people who do have reasonable merit. It would actually make Wikipedia more resourceful with a plethora of legitimate information, and not just Heavy Weight Champs, Grammy winning megastars, and Nobel Peace Prize winners. This person released songs with a dance label, was a writer for magazines, has a proven track record of working with other notable people who happen to have their own Wikipedia pages, was a track star and still has school records, has numerous press, this guy has done plenty to deserve his page.Allison Genisis (talk) 02:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Are you affiliated with Dru or Rockult? Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 03:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete with no prejudice against recreation if the appearance on "Real Housewives" goes through as planned. Not notable now, but could be then. Daniel Case (talk) 04:48, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * delete (fails notability... was CSD'd multiple times... this discussion should be on DRV...) with a recommendation that author take a break and edit other articles and understand Wikipedia better before creating eir own new articles. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No significant coverage in reliable sources, and even if he does make an appearance on Real Housewives, that would not establish notability by itself. -- Whpq (talk) 14:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

— John Q12 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - Found that the appearance on NYC housewives will air and found additional evidence through pictures with he and cast member Sonja Morgan. Also became aware that he has very notable family that could all be linked to his page. One of his brothers is news anchor Andre Hepkins of WSVN and there are others. There are also many additional factoids that isn't mentioned, or that someone will put in the bio eventually like production work and collaboration with Finnish Pop star, Mariko. I agree it was uncertain at first with what's mentioned, however this case keeps getting stronger the more you probe. This might be deserved afterall. By the looks of it probably will eventually anyway. Keep. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Q12 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Sources? I still see none. -- Whpq (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - John Q12's first edits were in regards to this article. I believe they may be  who has be banned for a username violation.  Continuing to edit is OK, although it's still a WP:COI, but presenting another !vote as if they are someone else isn't acceptable.  I won't initiate an WP:SPI until I see more evidence.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 18:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

If you google him there are random things around but they check out. For example 2 pictures came up of he and his brother, news reprter Andre Hepkins, He's working with Mariko from Finnish group Kwan, and there's a pic of he and Sonja Morgan on the set of NYC housewives all from various random sites. This caption below clearly lists him working on set of Real Housewives of NYC with Sonja Morgan and has their picture is posted. Dru Hepkins Sonja Morgan: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/106601238/Getty-Images-Entertainment

Picture of he and his brother news reporter Andre Hepkins: Dru Hepkins and Andre Hepkins: http://www.facebook.com/update_security_info.php?wizard=1#!/photo.php?fbid=1080541971683&set=t.1170303216&type=1&theater

In all honesty he's got a lot going on. In the meantime I'll try to find something better or a website to refer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Q12 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Neither Getty Images, nor Facebook constitute reliable sources. And by the way, your assertion that the "caption below clearly lists him working on set of Real Housewives of NYC with Sonja Morgan" is incorrect, as the caption clearly states that the photograph is of them attending the Firefighters of NYC Softball Game at Verizon Athletic Field. -- Whpq (talk) 20:04, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think it's important to note at this point that this is the second bit of information that has been presented that is either a large mistake are a straight lie. The first being the claim that he worked with a Grammy nominated artist and the second being the contents of a caption.  Regardless of the intent, at this point I think all information needs to be thoroughly checked.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 20:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. I just don't think this bio points in the direction of lies when there's is more evidence, conventional or unconventional to support the claims, including what's clearly a picture of him compared with other pictures of him standing with Sonja Morgan on the set of New York House Wives of NYC. Everything said in this bio matches up with some sort of proof online. His song with the DJ Disciple are posted all over youtube with thousands of hits, as well as beatports etc. There's a discography listing from a record label with his songs. His Wagner College track and field records are fact, taken right the Wagner College Athletic site. The fact that he's a published writer is fact, taken right of the Newsday and MVremix sites. The fact that his brother is a news anchor is fact, seen on their personal sites. I just think everything checks out and I don't see any evidence of lies.John Q12 (talk) 21:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, this all checks out because there is no mention of a Grammy unless poster deleted it. Otherwise there is proof of everything else. This a listing of Roger Sanchez's radio play list that listed the song "Red Light" in rotation many times and was the "Hot Download Pick" in which Dru Hepkins wrote and sings the song.
 * (Roger Sanchez)
 * The Release Yourself Radio Show #423 Part 2 Hot Download
 * Redlight [Alexy Romano & Anton Liss Mix] (Floorplay) http://www.trance-addict.net/releaseyourself.html
 * John Q12 (talk) 00:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't read much of response because I'm tired of explaining this to you and other editors who think that the subject is notable despite not being able to provide any solid evidence to prove such. No one cares if you think the subject is notable based on your opinion alone.  You'll need to provide references and all claims have either been pointed out as patently false (read: lies) or unverifiable.  Lastly, the link you've provided doesn't make a single mention of the subject ("Hepkins" isn't in the article a single time) so it in no way is significant coverage and it proves not a single thing about the subject.  Please read WP:N, WP:RS, WP:IS, and WP:V before coming back to tell everyone how notable the subject is.  Otherwise, you're wasting people's time like you and other people who work for the subject have been doing so far. Provide references from what Wikipedia defines as independent and reliable sources or stop talking.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 01:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * ????Whoa, first of all I don't work for the subject and your coming at me like you have some kind of bizzarre and personal grudge and its silly. Secondly you keep calling it "lies"--- how do you come up with that? I'm just guy who can look things up and can read his name clear as day and quite easily in credits and label compilations. Boom: Redlight (feat. Dru Hepkins) - Single
 * Released on Catch 22 / Floorplay Records: http://itunes.apple.com/ie/album/redlight-feat-dru-hepkins/id318368262
 * Here's another label listing: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Dru+Hepkins
 * ...why look at that, there it goes again. It's kind of all over the place. You didn't make a point, most times they list the artist name, sometimes on a radio show they only put the DJ, big deal. That's typical. Even though there's an abundance of press and listings-the guy is "lying and I work for him???"---because of course this is fact and you know this. Calling a guys obvious work "lies" and barking at a stanger is a really wack point in your life. Someone like you, so course, unprofessional and personally invested against people shouldnt really be doing this. Haters. Whatever man. I don't really care.John Q12 (talk) 03:40, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * If you read the links I provided, you'd see that these links also do nothing to prove notability. Being featured on a single song doesn't establish notability (fails WP:MUSIC) and anyone can post information on discogs (fails WP:IS).  I called it a lie because claim was made that wasn't true (I never said that you made it).  Some may call it a mistake but it seems to have a clear intent when it's not the only "mistake" being made and the "mistakes" are the only claim of notability that would keep this article from being deleted.  You're not "just a guy", you're someone who knows the subject of the article and which constitutes a conflict of interest with Wikipedia.  Also, I never said that're you're, "lying and I work for him", you came up with that yourself (Freudian slip?).  To say that I have some sort of person interest in having or not having an article on Wikipedia about this guy is just false but you're entitled to your opinion.  My nearly 10k edits on WP speak for themselves.  You, on the other hand, have admitted to a conflict of interest, refuse to read or address relevant Wikipedia policies or guidelines and come here calling other editors "haters" and "silly" because someone you know has an article that's up for deletion.  If you don't really care, feel free to walk away. If you do care about improving Wikipedia, go read the articles I linked (WP:N, WP:RS, WP:IS, and WP:V) and come back here with an understand of Wikipedia and references to prove that the subject of this article satisfies any of the inclusion guidelines found at WP:N.
 * When it comes down to brass tax, Dru Hepkins may very well be notable in the near future and the content can be retrieved when that happens. Until then the article has no place on Wikipedia.  Ol Yeller  '''Talktome 03:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok and fair enough. I was just attempting to verify and fact check. It just seemed like you snapped at me personally is all, but perhaps I'm not considering certain criteria. I'll read over the guidelines and try and get a better understanding of protocol for future reference. John Q12 (talk) 04:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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