Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dua Sanamain Quraish


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Shia–Sunni relations. Taking what appears to be the most favoured redirect target, but anyone should feel free to re-target if a better article is available. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Dua Sanamain Quraish

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This dua (prayer), if it is indeed real, is not notable. The article, whether the prayer is real or not, is merely a copy paste of a primary source. I have not found a single scholarly article or book from a notable publisher which even mentions this, though I have found a lot from publishing houses in India which make it clear that their content consists of Wikipedia articles. I have not found a single reputable website which mentions this prayer at all, though I have found a lot of Wikipedia mirrors showing exactly what is written here. I have found the prayer at some Muslim polemical websites where different sects argue, but all such sites are of disputed authenticity by other sects and none of them have proper editorial boards; they're just polemicists ranting. I have found mention of this prayer on Muslim discussion forums, but none of the discussions predate the creation of this article. Even if it is theoretically a real prayer, there is no proof for any sort of notability at all. It's just a copy paste of a primary source only reflected in Wikipedia mirrors. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:33, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:35, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Rename or merge if appropriate, probably not simply delete -- I don't know any of the technical details, but Shi`ite traditions of cursing some or all of the pre-Ali (and therefore Sunni-only) caliphs are quite notorious in the Middle East, even if such customs are rarely practiced in most areas today. This little Google search turns up over 2,000 results, many quite reputable looking.  Probably preferable to set up an article with the title Shiite traditions of cursing the first caliphs or similar... AnonMoos (talk) 14:37, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * By the way, this Arabic-script Google search turns up quite a lot of results. Maybe part of the problem is that the letter "n" in Dua Sanamai n  Quraish" is completely incorrect and bogus! This Google search gets 700 results... AnonMoos (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * User:AnonMoos, I actually would agree with creation of an article on "cursing first three caliphs," but what realistically can we merge from here? This is just copy paste of a prayer that, even in the links you provided, is only mentioned on discussion forums and Youtube. Even the Arabic version of the search you provided is entirely from blogs and discussion forums in Arabic. My question isn't rhetorical by the way, you might be on to something. If we have an article on "cursing the first three caliphs" we can surely find reliable sources on that topic, but how does this specific prayer in its current copy pasted form on this article fit in?
 * I still think this should be deleted per my reasoning above and because I can't think of how the text in this specific article could be used in another, but if there's something I've missed that can be pointed out to me, I'd withdraw the request. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:07, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 03:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 01:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Shia–Sunni relations or possibly Islam in Iran. It seems to have been a genuine custom in some parts of pre-15th century Shia-ism, but it's not notable; none of the sources give more than a sentence to it. --RaiderAspect (talk) 02:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - if not even one source gives more than passing mentions, this is not notable. Bearian (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't meet notability requirements and, even if it did, the article does not contain sufficient scholarly value.  Andrew327 03:20, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.