Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duane Sand


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 00:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Duane Sand

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Does not meet notability standards of WP:POLITICIAN Arbor8 (talk) 16:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Dakota-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails WP:POLITICIAN and no other convincing claim of notability is made.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  20:22, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't meet WP:POL or WP:BIO.  As he ran a few times, there's little benefit in merging this to one of the relevant election articles. Colon el  Tom 03:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:POLITICIAN criteria 2. His repeated runs at statewide office have made his name well known across the state and made him a non-trivial presence in statewide political coverage. —LinkTiger (talk) 05:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I take your point, LinkTiger, but I don't quite see that the subject meets this - "A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." He's certainly generated press, no doubt, but the references in the article don't meet this, and my quick&dirty google search doesn't find this type of article.  I'm quite prepared to accept that I'm wrong on this, of course.  Colon el  Tom 10:14, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Perennial candidate who has never held elective office. Currently one of two candidates vying for the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2012, he does not pass WP:POLITICIAN or WP:MILITARY, and his news mentions are only about his various candidacies, not about him. (I hesitated at first, because at this page, United States Senate election in North Dakota, 2000, about his previous run for the U.S. Senate, his occupation is listed as "state senator". If true that would make him automatically notable as a state legislator, but it does not appear to be true; none of his biographies (for example ) say that he was ever in the state senate. So I don't know how that misinformation became part of the election page.) --MelanieN (talk) 21:57, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have corrected the misinformation at United States Senate election in North Dakota, 2000. --MelanieN (talk) 16:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Duane Sand fails WP:POLITICIAN but passes the GNG through the following sources: "Duane Sand considers run for Congress" from Associated Press, "Investor: Sunday Liquor Key To Venture — Duane Sand Intends to Build 120-Seat Restaurant", "Sand's Lifelong Goal — Teachers, Friends Call Candidate Goal-Oriented, Determined To Win Senate Seat", and "Sand Knocks Off Fargo Legislator For U.S. Senate Endorsement" from Grand Forks Herald, and "Sand touts battlefield, business experience" from Williston Herald. Goodvac (talk) 23:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You may consider those sources to be significant coverage. I consider them to be routine, local coverage about the election - not about HIM.. --MelanieN (talk) 01:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * They do constitute significant coverage, and they are about him. Each provides biographical information about not only his involvement in the election, but also his past history in politics and the military. There is no reason to discount these sources as local solely because they are located in North Dakota. According to, Sand lives in Bismarck, North Dakota, and none of the above sources are from Bismarck or even near it. Goodvac (talk) 02:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. One of those rare occasions where a mere candidate gets over the bar, I think. That's because (a) he's been a candidate on numerous occasions; (b) he's essentially run for statewide office, there being only one House seat in his state; and (c) the natural statewide press coverage that such campaigns will generate. The distinction between "sources about the candidate" and "source about the election" is a difficult, and in my view, often unnecessary one, to draw. The real question underlying the purpose of WP:BIO is: are the sources sufficient to write a biography? In this case, the answer is yes, but admittedly only barely so. I'd add that this article seems to be largely free of the blatant puffery (or hatchet jobs) that often accompanies articles of this kind. --Mkativerata (talk) 06:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
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