Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dublin Bus (No. 54A)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge into Dublin Bus. Many "delete" arguments are based on WP:JNN or WP:WTF without explanation. There is little support for a keep, however. So we can merge any relevant content into the main article. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Dublin Bus (No. 54A)

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blatantly not WP:NOTGUIDE. if anyone wants info on this bus route look at the official bus route website. there would be literally 10s if not 100s of 1000s of bus routes in the world, I certainly don't believe in creating individual entries for any of them (that's unless say it got wide coverage for regularly taking someone very famous to work or something). LibStar (talk) 11:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * subsequently listing and not 46A which indicates some notability:

LibStar (talk) 15:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: what's wrong with applying the general notability guideline? Citius Altius (talk) 12:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom. Of all the Dublin bus routes, only the 46A is notable. The rest are not! Snappy (talk) 12:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: (ec) Neither this, nor any of the other routes Dublin Bus (No. 17A), Dublin Bus (No. 46A), Dublin Bus (No. 90) and Dublin Bus (No. 92), have any notability in their own right. Potentially there are around 150+ other non-notable bus route articles to be dealt with per the listing on Dublin Bus. 46A, maybe, but even that has not one reference to back it up. ww2censor (talk) 12:34, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * According to Myles na gCopaleen, "Fortuna favet 40 Bus," so I bet an article about that one would survive. Deor (talk) 21:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you are correct and that one can make an occasional article, but generally there are no WP:RS that show notability. ww2censor (talk) 22:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "When my humming was smothered by the 46A, And the scream of a low flying jet." - 'Summer in Dublin' by Bagatelle. That's a famous reference! Though admittedly, it might not be enough to justify a separate article. Snappy (talk) 06:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just want to clarify that my comment above was a joke. I'm not advocating an article on any Dublin bus line. Deor (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all of them (a batch nom next time would be best; this is one of those cases where a batch is appropriate since any arguments for or against should be identical). The problem here is that wikipedia can not and should be a bus directory. Bus routes change all the time (as do their names and numberings) both in regards to frequency, number of stops and general routes. One looking for up to date bus information on wikipedia for dublin (or any other place) will end up being led astray. And what is the encyclopedic usefullness of any of this? Bus routes are ephemeral.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems the two people just before this showed that a batch nom is not appropriate, as they found well-known references for two of them. DGG (talk)


 * Delete Its only a bus route  G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 15:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "only a bus route" = i don't like it but i don't know why. DGG (talk) 03:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

To expand on that:- its not a particularly notable bus route. Its NN and should be delated as per NOTGUIDE G  ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 11:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:GNG. Non-notable bus routes... Tavix | Talk  22:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge probably merge, after considering carefully whether there might in fact be sources. DGG (talk) 03:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Bus routes in major cities can be notable. A good bus route article tells about its history and how changes have impacted its riders, and this can do that. Reliable sources on Dublin buses, even specific ones, can be found here, here, and here. Sebwite (talk) 19:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Those aren't sources, they're just Google searches, and useless ones at that. More precise searches get far fewer results, none of which appear to address the topic directly in detail. If you think we should keep, then you're the one who has to do your homework. -- Explodicle  (T/C) 14:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: also, the AFD tag has NOT been placed on any of the articles OTHER than 54A. In other words, these have been up for AfD for at least 4 days now WITHOUT being tagged on the pages as stuff to receive comment. This alone should be grounds for the other ones being kept, requiring another proposal to have them deleted. Sebwite (talk) 19:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTGUIDE and as a non-notable bus route.  Them From  Space  19:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I added AFD notices to the other articles as suggested. Delete the listed articles as non-notable bus routes.  Bus routes, seriously?   Hi DrNick ! 20:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The closing of this AfD should be delayed by 4 days for this reason. Sebwite (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I do believe there is a standard by which articles for individual bus routes, especially in major cities, can be included. An example of a good bus route article does not just say "Route X operates from [blank] to [blank] along [blank Street] at [blank] frequency." It says says things like "Route X started operating in [year](ref). In [year], it was extended to [blank](ref). This was supported because it provided new bus service to [blank](ref). It was opposed by residents of [blank] out of fear it could bring crime to their community (ref). In [year], the branch to [blank] was eliminated due to low ridership (ref)." Articles like this on Wikipedia DO exist. The city of London has the most comprehensive collection of bus route articles that are well-written and referenced. I placed the rescue tag on these in hopes that these could be improved. See WP:BUSROUTE for more info on this. Sebwite (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to the Dublin Bus article unless specific route history information can be found. --Polaron | Talk 00:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all for the good reasons already stated. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:29, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all Non notable bus routes and wikipedia is not a travel guide to index these Corpx (talk) 23:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that WP:NOTGUIDE mentions tourist guides not bus or train schedules, nor can I find anything on What Wikipedia is not which explicitly deals with this type of content.  The entire NOTGUIDE reads: "Travel guides. An article on Paris should mention landmarks such as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, but not the telephone number or street address of your favorite hotel or the price of a café au lait on the Champs-Élysées. Wikipedia is not a place to recreate content more suited to entries in hotel guides, culinary guides, travelogues, and the like. Notable locations may meet inclusion criteria, but Wikipedia does not list every tourist attraction, restaurant, hotel, venue, etc. Such details may be welcome at Wikitravel, however."  This is why you should not quote acronyms.  T L Miles (talk) 01:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Transit information such as this would be suitable for a travel guide or in some kind of local directory Corpx (talk) 01:45, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep all or Merge as a new article named "Dublin Bus Lines." Bus lines in a large city and capital is notable enough. However, merging into a new, organized article may be better to improve the Dublin Bus-related article. --98.154.26.247 (talk) 04:22, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge into Dublin Bus. This seems like a clear-cut notability issue. I don't have a huge problem with the "Dublin Bus lines" suggestion above, but I'm not sure such an article would meet WP:N and WP:NOTGUIDE. -- Explodicle (T/C) 14:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


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