Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dumitru Popescu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There is a weak consensus that the sources provided are sufficient. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Dumitru Popescu

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Notability is not established. The links included in the article are either dead, or promotional, or make no mention of Popescu, or are blog posts. - Biruitorul Talk 14:01, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep The article hid its light under a bushel, but then, looking for such is what nominators are supposed to do WP:BEFORE they nominate. Dumitru Popescu is head and founder of the Cosmonautics and Aeronautics Romanian Association (ARCA). ARCA has never won a X-Prize; however, their participation in the numerous X Prize Foundation events has received international coverage from MSNBC, Astronomy magazine, and Space.com, and lavishly detailed domestic coverage at Cariere Online, as can be seen with no more than a Google News search. Anarchangel (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Article has been somewhat expanded, wikified and cited with six additional secondary sources . Anarchangel (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The sources are not specifically about him, except for one: the ludicrous "Cariere" cruft. Dahn (talk) 13:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:BIO. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:33, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:VAGUEWAVE. To say nothing of the fact, already stated, that the article now has substantial third party citations, and WP:BIO cannot come here to the AfD and either tell us which part of it is relevant to this article, or why. Anarchangel (talk) 08:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not really: the one source on his biography is actually unquotable, per WP:RS. Dahn (talk) 13:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, he seems to meet BIO Academics 1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, for the Popescu-Diaconu stabilization method, among other contributions, as well as BIO 3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association - president and founder of ARCA.  Th e S te ve   06:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * His team has. And this according to an unreliable source, that I've taken the liberty of removing to highlight the puffery problem. Dahn (talk) 22:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect to Cosmonautics and Aeronautics Romanian Association, possibly to the X-Prize subsection. Much of his notability seems to be inherited from ARCA or the things he's designed; he himself doesn't get much coverage. - Jorgath (talk) (contribs) 17:33, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep He's every bit as notable as the organization, which he founded. someone who designs or oiginates notable things is notable. That how people in his profession become notable.  DGG ( talk ) 23:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets the GNG, lots of sources, seems to be a well known rocket designer. Notability not inherited from the things he designed?? - That's like saying the author isn't famous, but his books sure are...  Th e S te ve   08:01, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect into the Association article - all claim to notability is inherited; the difference is made by "bio" sources that simply fail WP:RS. Dahn (talk) 13:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, that's that cleared up, then, and we can all go home. Supposedly there ARE NO sources that can possibly cite this article, because all sources not directly about him are trivial coverage, and all sources directly about him are "bio" sources. Anarchangel (talk) 23:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly: coverage is woefully trivial, except for a promotional piece that's basically a blog post. There is no reliable source covering him to any appreciable depth. - Biruitorul Talk 05:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   05:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep -- it's rocket science. Seriously, references establish him as one of the leading experts in his field in his country.  Geo Swan (talk) 22:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Which references would those be? The passing mentions made here, here, here and here, or this crufty puff piece? - Biruitorul Talk 05:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep -- He the organization's main spokeperson and is almost as well known as ARCA. Dragos muresan (talk) 03:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Prove it through sources, please. - Biruitorul Talk 05:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Two cinema movies are enough? I added them to the page Dragos muresan (talk) 06:22, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No, simply appearing in a film does not establish one's notability; WP:ENT needs to be met for that. What we need is evidence he passes WP:GNG: "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". I for one am not seeing that, only disparate passing mentions. - Biruitorul Talk 16:20, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I might add that those films are themselves of questionable notability: anyone can write an imdb entry; the other two "sources" are promotional material for the two films... Dahn (talk) 22:57, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So you decided by yourself to delete the references AND the paragraph about the movies he is in AND the link to the image with himself. I am not an expert in wiki rules but shouldn't be a consensus about what should be kept and not? Shouldn't an admin take a look at this? Dragos muresan (talk) 04:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * From Notability_(people) "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject".
 * http://spacefellowship.com/news/art12913/part-two-dumitru-popescu-builds-his-dream-rocket.html
 * http://www.9am.ro/stiri-revista-presei/2005-08-26/omul-zilei-dumitru-popescu.html
 * http://www.alfanews.ro/2011/dumitru-popescu-arca-%E2%80%9Etrimiterea-omului-in-cosmos-ramane-obiectivul-principal-al-organizatiei%E2%80%9D.html
 * http://www.fishingtonpost.ro/2012/02/12694-invitatul-saptamanii-dumitru-popescu/#.T6ifD-t1Dp4
 * "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews".
 * http://www.space-tourists-film.com/en/home.php
 * "The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique." - Popescu-Diaconu gravitational stabilization method ARCASPACE     Dragos muresan (talk) 04:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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