Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duncan Smith (Irish politician)


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The result was delete. Tone 10:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Duncan Smith (Irish politician)

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Non-notable local politician. The subject does not meet the notability criteria for politicians (WP:NPOL), in that local councillors in Ireland do not meet the expectations of an international or national office. The subject also doesn't meet the general notability criteria for people (WP:SIGCOV/WP:NBIO), in that the only non-trivial coverage is the very recent (and minimal) coverage of the subject's candidacy in a by-election. Otherwise, for example, a search for the subject in the main newspapers of record in Ireland (Irish Times and Irish Independent) returns only one or two pieces like this one which does not meet the expectations of SIGCOV. Article was created because the subject is seeking national office. But, standing in a by-election doesn't contribute to WP:NPOL. Being a candidate for national office is some distance from holding a national office. (The de-PROD argument "articles on other local politicians exist" is not relevant. Given WP:OTHERSTUFF and WP:OSE guidelines. Subject's are notable on their own merits. Not by association with other subjects.) Guliolopez (talk) 09:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Guliolopez (talk) 09:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Guliolopez (talk) 09:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete For my reasons stated at Articles for deletion/George Lawlor —Iveagh Gardens (talk) —Iveagh Gardens (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. County councillor is not a level of office that confers an automatic free pass over NPOL #2 just because the person exists, and his candidacy in a Dail by-election is not grounds for a Wikipedia article either — he would have to win the by-election to collect notability from the by-election. But the referencing here is a mix of primary and unreliable sources (e.g. profiles on the self-published and directly affiliated websites of the county council and his political party, podcasts, blogs) that are not support for notability at all; purely routine local coverage of the type that every local councillor everywhere is simply expected to get in the local media, which is not enough to make him a special case of greater notability than most other county councillors; and glancing namechecks of his existence in sources that are not fundamentally about him. Obviously this will be recreatable after election day if he wins the national by-election, since his basis for notability will have changed, but this is not the kind of sourcing it takes to make a local councillor or an as yet unelected by-election candidate already notable enough for an article today. Bearcat (talk) 22:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, Bearcat and Iveagh Gardens. Spleodrach (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)


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