Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dundalk Municipal District (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Louth County Council and then redirect. Clear consensus against a standalone article. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Dundalk Municipal District
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As I suggested before, municipal districts don't satisfy WP:NGEO as they are not entities separate from the county council, but are effectively an area committee of the county council. The list of councillors, changes, and definitions of LEAs are extracts from Louth County Council. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Ireland. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment . Not unlike the nominator, I'm not sure what this article is "for". The lead (confirming that the municipal district exists and is a sub-set of Louth County Council) can easily be covered in the Louth County Council article. The seat summary reads like WP:NOTSTATS content. And largely redundant anyway to Louth_County_Council. The Dundalk_Municipal_District is outdated. And redundant to 2014_Louth_County_Council_election. The "Cathaoirleach" table isn't supported by the linked refs. And the table down the end seems redundant to the same table in Louth_County_Council. To my mind, the article is largely redundant to other titles, and the title could easily be redirected Louth County Council. (I note that the only "keep" recommendation in the previous AfD suggested that a merge/redirect would unneccessarily expand and complicate the Louth County Council article. But, it seems to me, that most of the content is actually already there anyway...) Guliolopez (talk) 15:49, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect. Several (if not all) of the WP:MERGEREASONs would seem to apply here. (In that the content is duplicated, same context is required, topics expressly overlap, etc.) As per my note above, what little content isn't already covered in the Louth County Council could be merged there. And this title redirected to that article. If we consider the subject here as a political geography topic (and it seems that most commenters here feel it is), such an ATD would align with WP:GEOLAND (which provides for a subset geo article to be covered in the superset article...). Guliolopez (talk) 17:01, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - Municipal districts should not have individual articles. Spleodrach (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, we know what you think from the bolded "delete". The question is why shouldn't they? Surely they fall under WP:GEOLAND as populated, legally recognized places. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fails WP:NGEO, and are better as apart of relevant council area. Spleodrach (talk)
 * But why do you think that they fail WP:NGEO? Are they not populated, legally recognized places? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - The article's subject meets WP:NGEO. The first criteria of WP:GEOLAND is Populated, legally recognized places. This is a populated and legally recognized place. That it's a smaller part of the larger county does not invalidate that; many legally recognized places are smaller divisions of larger regions. Yes, there's some overlap in the governing of the district with the governing of the county, but that's not a criteria or consideration of WP:NGEO in any way. If Municipal districts should not have individual articles then that should be discussed and changed at WP:NGEO, because the current guideline doesn't support that assertion. - Aoidh (talk) 05:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The town of Dundalk is a populated place, but is covered by its own article. Dundalk Municipal District is a subsidiary of County Louth. It's not a subdivision in the way that counties in Ireland were formally divided into second-tier urban and rural districts, which operated separately from the county-level local authority, (with rural districts dropped in 1925/1930, and urban districts becoming town councils in 2002). There were separate elections to the UDCs/RDCs/TCs. This is not the case for municipal districts: there's an election for Louth County Council, and those elected for the two Dundalk local electoral areas meet regularly in their local Dundalk Municipal District, as well as the County Council. To take the legislation that created them, s. 19 of the 2014 Act, "Subject to subsection (4), every county and city and county set out in Part 1 and Part 3, respectively, of Schedule 5 shall have 2 or more districts", and the wider context of that Act, the municipal districts act as internal units within the local government area, rather than separate entities in themselves. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 08:19, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect - I struck my above comment because while it does meet WP:GEOLAND, I admit I was looking at it in isolation and on its own merits, but didn't consider the duplication of content. I think a redirect to Louth County Council would be warranted until there's enough content written for it to be split out into its own article. The subject itself is notable and on that point it warrants a standalone article, but what's currently there isn't enough to justify it. I do want to stress though that WP:GEOLAND is met here; that it's a smaller part of a larger division is not a relevant distinction for WP:GEOLAND. - Aoidh (talk) 01:55, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Redirect - I was going to suggest Keep, as, per, this satisfies WP:NGEO, as far as I can see. However, as pointed out by , the contents here seem to be largely redundant, un- or poorly cited, and/or out-of-date. Better to have a properly maintained Louth County Council article rather than several poorly maintained LEA ones. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:43, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and also a very strong agreement with @Guliolopez in that I don't see what the article is "for". As regards WP:NGEO, I think that this area is a "place" only in the absolute loosest of definitions. Moreover, it states that these places are typically notable, not always.
 * Xx78900 (talk) 11:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I don't think it's a necessary redirect tbh Xx78900 (talk) 11:41, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment Most of the information here is a duplication of information on Louth County Council, and a merge and redirect makes sense to avoid WP:CONTENTFORKING. What do we think of the list of Cathaoirligh? Is it significant enough to warrant inclusion at all (I'm not necessarily convinced, again given the hierarchy of the municipal district compared to the county council)? If so, could it be a standalone article, short at first, but one that would be expanded? It could then also be expanded backwards, to include Cathaoirligh of the old UBC and Town Council, as we have for pages in Category:Lists of mayors of places in Ireland. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:46, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not really necessary or WP:DUE? Ultimately it's nothing more than a sub-committee of the relevant county council, not much different from, say, their transport committee, housing committee, etc. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


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