Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dustin Jacoby (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Most of the "Keep" !votes assert that he "will be notable when he wins" or "will be notable when the criteria are changed". While WP:IAR is a thing, so is WP:CRYSTAL. The Bushranger One ping only 12:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Dustin Jacoby
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This article was previously deleted at AFD because he was not notable as an MMA fighter. Since then he's done nothing to add his notability in MMA and has started kickboxing. However, he doesn't meet the notability criteria for kickboxers (WP:KICK), either. The coverage is routine fight promoting and results coverage. Papaursa (talk) 02:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 02:41, 3 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete As per nom. I don't think Glory for kcikboxing is considered top tier although it would be nice if that was clearer as is the case with MMA fighters.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:24, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Glory is definitely world's top kickboxing promotion, without any competition, Dustin is last minute replacement, kickboxind deboutant, underdog and winner of for Road to Glory event, there are lots of aricles about it. 1-3 in Glory right now, but participates in a Glory middleweight tournament, and will fight there for a while.Master Sun Tzu (talk) 08:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe we need a referendum to change the kickboxing notability. Right now leading promotions are Glory and SuperKombat, but Glory is something special and supreme like the former K-1. I would also still consider K-1 notable and I would add Final Fight Championship of Croatia and Legend Fighting Show of Russia. The rest are probably not notable. My opinion is I hope objective and helpful. Dustin Jacoby is fighting in the largest promotion in the world. In addition, he won over Brian Collette in the promotion, ranked #6 by Glory.Illovecoffee (talk) 14:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Times have changed so yes, we need a referendum. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a year old discussion here but I suggest be bold and create a table like at WP:MMANOT for the discussion to revolve around.Peter Rehse (talk) 14:51, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Won a tournament in a major kickboxing organization. When WP:KICK is updated, Glory will surely be considered top-tier. Luchuslu (talk) 16:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fighting for a top tier kickboxing organization is not one of the notability criteria at WP:KICK--fighting for a world title is and he's nowhere close to that.


 * Delete or Userfy Doesn't meet current notability criteria and assuming he'll meet new criteria is WP:CRYSTALBALL. He won a tournament that qualified him to compete in a Glory event--it's like winning MMA's TUF.  That's not enough to show notability or meet WP:KICK.  Since there's additional interest, I've opened a notability discussion at WT:KICK.Mdtemp (talk) 20:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Glory is the largest kickboxing entity in the world, it currently has some of the best in the world signed. (Saki, Sato, Gaerts, etc) Dstrange (talk) 00:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The discussion isn't about Glory, it's about Jacoby. You give no reason why he's notable.


 * Strong Keep I still see notability here. Even if it isn't extremely recent, he still seems significant in the eyes of a basic WP:BIO... I'm not too involved in the sports arena here, but generally, the article seems good enough to keep. SayItRight1 (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * He doesn't meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters or kickboxers. All of the coverage is routine sports reporting--lists of results and promotional output for upcoming matches.  Lacks the significant independent coverage required to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 21:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:NMMA, WP:KICK, or WP:GNG. I don't see consensus at the ongoing discussion for making major changes to WP:KICK so he's still not going to meet the new requirements.204.126.132.231 (talk) 16:14, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Kickboxing notability criteria will not be significantly changed, but Glory will be top tier promotion. At least wait for March 8, 2014, if Dustin wins Glory tournament that will bring him the title shot and he will be notable. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 15:24, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That's way too much WP:CRYSTALBALL. If he wins the March 8 tournament he qualifies for another tournament and if he wins that tournament he still won't be Glory champion--just like Joe Schilling didn't become champion winning the 2013 tournament.  Why doesn't Glory have a champion in any weight class? Mdtemp (talk) 15:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Right just delete it Master Sun Tzu (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Fails notability. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails notability for this type of activity.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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