Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan's Couch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus is that just being a Webby "honoree" (not a winner, as one contributor seems to assume) doesn't quite cut it.  Sandstein  21:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Dylan's Couch
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Delete nn podcast, already speedied many times Mayalld (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and Salt this time. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  15:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I declined the speedy because there was a clear assertion of notability, his show won "Official Honoree" in both the viral and comedy: long form or series Categories at the 12th Annual Webby Awards[1]. It's verifiable in a number of sources. It was speedied four times in three days, almost eighteen months ago and before he won the Webby. More info on the win. Doesn't mean it has to be automatically speedied now. The creator requested and was granted unprotection. Whether it's a keep or not, I'm not sure. I'm still looking into it. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:57, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment To clarify, winning an actual Webby and being an "Official Honoree" of their organization are very different. In their words:  "Of the more than 8000 entries submitted to the 12th Annual Webby Awards, fewer than 15% were distinguished as an Official Honoree."  So a reasonable estimate would be 1000 sites a year getting the tag; so, my good faith question is whether standing practice allows any recognition by the Webby Awards folks clears the "award" bullet of WP:WEB?  I can see both sides of that one, and candidly I don't know the policy in that level of detail. Townlake (talk) 16:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The website (for the Webby awards) shows Dylan's Couch was one of twelve honorees in Comedy: Long form or Series and one of eight in the Viral category. Dylan's Couch is listed along with the Onion News Network and Clark and Michael.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypergeek14 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I don't really know the difference. I still think it was enough to evade a speedy. I just asked the creator if he's aware of any RS coverage with which to expand the article. I know press releases aren't valid RSes but this one has attributed quotes as to the reasons behind its selection so I'm hoping to find something. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good luck - I couldn't find any RSes on a cursory check, but I'm certainly rooting for you (or someone) to dig some up. Townlake (talk) 16:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Won't be me, unfortunately, I'm headed offline and out of town for the balance of this AfD so I won't be able to work on the article. Hope that someone will find them if they exist. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Admittedly, this has yet to pass WP:RS. But the Webby Awards carry a lot of clout and being acknowledged by their judges (even as an "honoree") gives this podcast more cred than it might otherwise deserve. It's a very, very close call, but I would rather give young Dylan a break. Ecoleetage (talk) 17:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. With the webby honorable mention, that might cross the line.  Not sure, but good enough for me.  Good luck. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 19:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Being an "Official Honoree" to an Award, even an award that has some notable attention, doesn't immediately make the subject of the reward Notable. Even if it did, a Webby Award, is hardly a well known award in itself and definetly doesn't have even the basic coverage to promote Award winners into Notability. Note that the Webby Awards promote non-notable nominations, and even there most well known entries are only well known in terms a segment of the Web, which, however much we as members of it would love to believe is massive, doesn't immediately promote it's locally recognised figures to immediate real notability. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 19:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I am sorry to contradict the previous commentator, but the Webby Awards are extremely notable: and . Ecoleetage (talk) 00:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment That's not contradicting me, so don't worry about it. Infact i believe i even said that this article was not notable despite the Notability of the Webby Awards. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 07:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Lest we get distracted, this site did not win a Webby Award. Townlake (talk) 05:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep This article could use some more RS, but it is verified that this won a Webby, a very important feat. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 15:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Please see above. This site did NOT win a WEBBY award. Mayalld (talk) 15:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Firstly, how is that an "important feat"? It's neither important, nor a feat, so i fail to see how combining the words creates a fact. Secondly, it has not won a Webby. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 15:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Agreed, the site was an "honoree" and not a "winner." Which, quite frankly, is still no mean feat -- particularly for a small-scale operation like Dylan's Couch.  The Webbys get a ton of entries for award consideration (and a lot of these entries come with a heavy marketing push, not unlike the Oscars or other awards).  The fact this young man's independently-produced offering rose to the near-top is something that I find very impressive. Ecoleetage (talk) 03:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I despair of the extent of policy creep that is evident here. The requirements for notability are clear. You either have to win an award, or be nominated and not win several times. This quite simply doesn't meet the requirements Mayalld (talk) 06:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Zero reliable sources discuss Dylan's Couch (unless someone found some?), and zero bullets of WP:WEB are satisfied as an alternative. "Official Honoree" is a type of recognition that young Dylan should be proud of, but it simply isn't a well-known award, and the fundamental criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia aren't otherwise satisfied. Townlake (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Lacking in notability and reliable sources. Captain   panda  13:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.