Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Wheeler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Xbox Underground. Spartaz Humbug! 05:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Dylan Wheeler

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Subject of the article requests deletion (WP:BIODEL). Many, if not most, of the sources are not reliable (Gawker & blogs) particularly with regard to BLP. Fails to establish notability per WP:BIO. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 22:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:BLP1E. Clearly not notable. Kb.au (talk) 06:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge with Xbox Underground and redirect. Per WP:CRIME, a person who is only known for their connection with a crime should not have their own article if there is an existing one in which the material can be placed. Given it is of stub quality at best, there's no reason the information on Wheeler couldn't be incorporated into the XU article (in fact, for the most part it already is). As I previously said, Wheeler does not meet the notability requirements regardless. Per WP:BLP1E, the "general rule is to cover the event, not the person" and "when an individual plays a major role in a minor event ... it is not generally appropriate to have an article on both the person and the event". Per WP:CRIME, "Editors must give serious consideration to not creating an article on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured." Creating an article on a non-significant individual based on news articles relating to what is effectively a single event would also fail WP:NOTNEWS. Kb.au (talk) 10:10, 27 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - this is a bit beyond a BLP1E event. Seems subject beyond being notable for the 2013 events, has also fled Australia and is a fugitive, leading to subsequent coverage and proceedings (including the conviction of his mother). e.g. - Alleged hacker Dylan Wheeler's escape was helped by his WA mother, Dylan Wheeler: Accused Australian hacker attempts to crowdfund Ferrari to help 'anxiety', Mum collapses after being jailed for helping son avoid Xbox hacking charges, Suspected hacker Dylan Wheeler offers to return to Australia if guaranteed a ‘fair trial’, Australian teenager accused of being part of group suspected of US Army hack able to flee 'easily', After raid, Australian hacker fears possible arrest, How hackers built, then sold, a pre-release XBox One to the FBI, Australian who boasted of hacking to plead not guilty to charges stemming from raid. To sum up - we have the initial hacking case which was well covered, becoming an international fugitive which is also well covered - that led to the jailing of his mom, attempting to crowdfund a Ferrari and others similar bits, and mentions/coverage in relation to other hacking cases. It is at least a 3E, and with continuing in-depth coverage from 2013 to 2017.Icewhiz (talk) 13:27, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 *  Keep  Merge - It is poorly source but better sources are available. Plus there have been a handful television reports on him.  Somebody, I suspect the subject himself, keeps editing the article to make his bio more flatering, so we need to keep an eye on it. Merge with Xbox Underground per .  — Niche-gamer 19:44, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Multiple events, multiple coverage by multiple independent sources over a number of years. Aoziwe (talk) 12:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - good sourcing, multiple events. BabbaQ (talk) 23:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge to Xbox Underground. Even the additional articles that people have posted above are about the same thing. There's nothing specifically notable about this one person that can't be merged there, and to have an article specifically about him seems excessive and also undue emphasis on alleged crimes. If the subject himself objects to this portrayal and article, and if it's borderline at best, it seems like the logical thing to do is merge. SunChaser (talk) 01:39, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable subject, good writing.Schracq (talk) 21:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * See SPI. Unscintillating (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: BLP Policy allows the deletion on request of a barely notable person after a deletion discussion. What is missing from this discussion is whether this is a barely notable person or not. The article seems relatively brief which suggests he is but that isn't the sense of the discussion I'm getting here. Would be useful to have some commentary on that point.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:24, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think he is barely notable. He has ongoing coverage, is notable for initial hacking scandal, his international fugitive status (which recently landed his mother in jail), and various other bits of "noise" he has attracted coverage for - e.g. Dylan Wheeler: Accused Australian hacker attempts to crowdfund Ferrari to help 'anxiety'. If he were sitting in jail in Australia - it would be easy to go for a delete as a 1-event/BLPCRIME thing. Seeing his well publicized escape and subsequent coverage (including attempting to negotiate a return - Suspected hacker Dylan Wheeler offers to return to Australia if guaranteed a ‘fair trial’) - I don't think this is the case, and I don't think the coverage is going to go away.Icewhiz (talk) 08:50, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note - he also has some Czech language coverage - They released me for my history, says a hacker from Ostrava. The company does not comment, August 2016, https://www.lupa.cz/clanky/nejsem-uprchlik-rika-australsky-hacker-obvineny-fbi-zijici-v-ostrave/ I'm not a refugee, says an Australian hacker accused by the FBI and living in Ostrava, Jan 2016].Icewhiz (talk) 08:57, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete not enough coverage to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Drive-by !vote?BabbaQ (talk) 01:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete & redirect name only to Xbox_Underground where the subject is already covered in sufficient detail. The subject is not independently notable of the group, and the WP:BIODEL request is a valid one. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:44, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -BLP1E. Carrite (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:43, 2 January 2018 (UTC) delete as way too many BLP issues. When the thing gets resolved, maybe then. Mangoe (talk) 15:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as there is considerable coverage from multiple reliable sources which suggest independent notability. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 16:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per the sources presented by . I wouldn't consider these actions he's receiving coverage for to be "one event" - there are at least two events, the hacking charges and fleeing Australia.  As for the issue of whether or not Wheeler is a "barely notable person", I also would have a hard time considering an international fugitive a "barely notable person", but I definitely don't think this one is. To be barely notable means to avoid attracting attention to yourself, not courting it as long as it's on your terms. Barely notable people don't give interviews to the media about how easily they were able to flee the country. Barely notable people don't give interviews to the media about how they're attempting to negotiate with the country they fled about conditions for their return. Barely notable people don't give interviews to the media about someone else involved in the thing you allegedly did or a different someone else involved in the thing you allegedly did. Barely notable people don't try to get the internet to buy them a car that costs half a million dollars. These are not the kinds of things someone who wants to just be left alone does. Egsan Bacon (talk) 15:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I think that merely being an "international fugitive" is not itself something that creates notability for a person.  There are thousands of them at any given moment and most don't make the papers.  While there is some media coverage of Wheeler about, I think that any notability that he has is borderline, and given the request from the subject and the relevant provisions in the BLP policy that this article ought to be deleted.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 02:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC).
 * Redirect to Xbox Underground, where his sole reason for notability already sits. Absent in depth profiles or bios of him, he's just not independently notable. We can revisit if he spawns any more coverage for anything else, and with a redirect the article content will be saved in the history. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  20:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Xbox Underground, or failing that delete. BLP1E only known for his association with this group, judging by sources; no subnstantial other biographical content.  Sandstein   20:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Xbox Underground. An obvious BLP1E case. My very best wishes (talk) 03:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


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