Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dyuden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is for the article to be retained. North America1000 17:06, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Dyuden

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This article has no sources. In its present form, it does not demonstrate the notability of its subject. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:18, 27 March 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 15:29, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ' Not sure if it can be fixed, but if it cannot, it's not enough to be kept as of right now. South Nashua (talk) 15:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC) Changing to Keep per below. South Nashua (talk) 01:36, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: There is a Russian Wikisource biographical entry on this person here. AllyD (talk) 16:00, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:01, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep: This person's name is transliterated in various ways, both in Russian (Туда́н, Тудакан, Дюдень, Дедень) and English (Dyuden, Diudan, Dyudin, Tudan, etc). However, leading a military campaign in 1293 to the detriment of major cities including Moscow, noted in the Chronicles, seems sufficient for encyclopaedic notability. AllyD (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep inclusion in Плюшар, А. А. Энциклопедический лексикон, СПб. 1835—1841 (as pointed out by AllyD) seems to pass WP:ANYBIO. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:22, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I think we have sufficient sources now, perhaps barely, to sustain the article. More are needed, and more development of the article is needed. Given he was the general of an army that conducted an extensive campaign, I think it safe to say he passed WP:MILPEOPLE, specifically "Held a rank considered to be a flag, general or air officer, or their historical equivalents" and "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign". The mists of time and language may make it difficult to develop this article, but there are sources. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Obviously notable; the article is now adequately sourced. It is only a stub, but it may be that materials do not exist to expand it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.