Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dzhambulat Khatokhov (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete, per WP:BLP1E. Jayjg (talk) 03:29, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Dzhambulat Khatokhov
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Second nomination: First nom, above, ended in deletion for intrinsic non-notability. Though article has since prior nomination, same reasoning would appear to apply. Note that there is a claim mentioned in the Guardian article sourced in the article that the boy did hold the world's record for weight at 3 years, 2 months, but certified by a questionable source. It was not clear in the prior nomination whether or not a world's record might suffice to make him notable.  T RANSPORTER M AN  ( TALK ) 14:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Doing this as maintenance, I as nom abstain.  Dennis The Tiger  (Rawr and stuff) 17:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - I really can't decide whether there is enough significant coverage to !vote either way. There's some, but not very much. Claritas § 18:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete no significant coverage from gnews, and google only links to mirror sites . LibStar (talk) 04:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Google news shows significant coverage from three media sources.


 * Boy as big as an elephant
 * The Sun - Mar 2, 2007
 * The youngster Dzhambulat Khatokhov nicknamed Jambik who is the size of a :baby elephant is the subject of Channel 4's documentary Bodyshock World's :Biggest ...
 * Related web pages


 * World's Biggest Boy
 * Channel 4 News - Nov 26, 2008
 * At just seven years old Dzhambulat KhatokhovJambik for short is four foot :three inches tall and weighs 16 stone as much as a baby elephant He :dwarfs his ...
 * Related web pages

He gets coverage, so he is notable. Notability is not temporary. Other sources are already in the article.  D r e a m Focus  04:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Your argument currently matches the "In the news" argument, see wp:INTHENEWS. This is one of the many arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Maashatra11 (talk) 00:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * wonder how you found this AfD, it was not on the rescue list till you added it... LibStar (talk) 04:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge to childhood obesity as a notable example. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - There is a wikipedia article about BodyShock U.K. Channel 4 TV series, about extremities in humans. This TV series were aired worldwide. On the other hand, the seria about Dzambik, show his big influence in Russia, where he is a very known (media exposed) person and a wrestler who was presented on many TV shows, and world fame becouse of his weight status. As seen from the references, he was also mentioned in two big newspapers The Sun and The Guardian. If this article fails to match criteria on Wikipedia, I assume that all the other persons from Bodyshock should fail for the very same reason. -- Prunk (talk) 06:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment the vote above mas made by the article's creator. Maashatra11 (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - world's largest child? Besides the problem of exactly pinning down the definition of "child", who says this? The program that makes more money if more people watch the show (and so having a motive to over-sensationalize?)? I want more proof than that. The Guinness Book of World Records, maybe? Anyway, I agree with Warden; if he is the largest child, a mention in childhood obesity would be warranted, but he's not that notable otherwise. — Ed   (talk  •  majestic titan)  07:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Any definition of child would include a 10 year old, wouldn't it?  D r e a m Focus  07:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Totally dubious claim. Even if he were the fattest kid in the world, it would still fall under WP:BLP1E.   Snotty Wong   talk 22:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I searched for additional references, showing up that the kid actually holds the Guinness World Records title for being the heaviest kid on the planet, since 2003. He also reached fame in Japan, where they invited him to film a documentary, so there must be additional references in Japanesse language, meaning that it doesn't fail at WP:BLP1E. -- Prunk (talk) 06:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The claims that he holds a Guinness record have been questioned in The Guardian article, so this argument should be deemed invalid, see the article here : . Maashatra11 (talk) 12:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Another video clip featuring Dzhambik in BodyShock documentary is available from Youtube, I am unsure if it can be added as a reference, but definitelly worth watching. -- Prunk (talk) 07:23, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOT, which should be a policy, and WP:BLP, which is. Would anyone commenting here want their ten-year-old child to be written about on one of the world's most visited web sites in a way that will hold him up to ridicule as he goes through his teenage years? Or does the fact that he lives in a far away country [of which] we know nothing mean that he is fair game for such prurience? Phil Bridger (talk) 00:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you read the article? No one is ridiculing him.  He's been on television for this, seems happy with his life, and is quite popular and loved in Russia.   D r e a m Focus  06:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not about what we would do with our children, and on the contrary, it seems that he enjoys it to be known for his obesity. It's also a fact that he owns the title of the heaviest kid, making him notable enough to place him on Wikipedia. -- Prunk (talk) 06:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. BLP1E, especially considering that the person is only 11. Yes tabloids love this sort of thing, as do tabloid like TV programmes, but that does not mean we should have an article. I don't care whether he seems happy with his life - he is only a child and this is one of those occasions where we should be cautious, and try to avoid harm. Quantpole (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as a BLP1E and because Wikipedia isn't a gossip sheet. Also per Phil Bridger.  Them From  Space  15:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per others. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 04:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E. Seems to be famous and got coverage only because of a TV program featuring him, maybe some content can be merged in that article. There is a chance when he grows older that he will be mentioned here, but not now. The Guardian article ("...a certificate from a Russian organisation that registered his apparent world record....The certificate claims affiliation with the Guinness Book of Records, but a Guinness spokesman said they had no record of Dzhambik and were unlikely to have a "biggest child" category") suggests thar the claim he holds any "world record" or "Guiness record" is indeed questionable. Maashatra11 (talk) 12:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete- per WP:BLP1E. Wikipedia is not a trashy sensationalist tabloid, nor a freak show. Reyk  YO!  02:28, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: BLP of a child, BLP1E, few reliable sources, some of which have been questioned. BodyShock  and childhood obesity could inherit anything that gets kept. - BalthCat (talk) 00:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * delete have some basic human decency... that's what BLP1E is supposed to do... wikipedia isn't supposed to turn every persons life into a tabloid just because they were mentioned in a couple news stories... let alone a kid... dont dress up hack journalism as "the sum of all human knowledge"... ughh Arskwad (talk) 03:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Wikipedia is not the protector of humankind.  People are googling "Brian Peppers" all day long regardless of whether he has a wikipedia article.   That being said, he does not appear to hold a Guinness World Record, which would often escape BLP1E.   Since coverage is not overly significant, seeing the pile on at this point, i think a redirect to Childhood obesity would be ok.--Milowent (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


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