Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EAthena (3rd nomination)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 14:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

EAthena
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Lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) Even in the one source mentioned (which is a conference paper, not peer reviewed), the software is only covered in brief mentions. No other papers in Google Scholar cover it in more than a passing mention. It has no hits in Google Books. There is no reliably sourced content worth merging into the parent article. czar 01:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions.  czar  01:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Not sure what else to say that Czar and the 3 past AFDs (however old) haven't already. GNG is not met, and unlikely to be met in the future. -- ferret (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * SPEEDY Delete and SALT This does not meet any of the inclusion criteria this time or the other 5 4 times it has been discussed. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 03:39, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete and Salt This is third nomination. The article is full of promotional content. No references that could justify the notability.  D My Son  14:47, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is actually the 5th discussion on this particular topic you can see the list on the top right. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 16:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Fourth. One of those is a redirect. -- ferret (talk) 16:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ohh, i saw only the discussion url and its title that shows 3rd nomination. Thank you for my knowledge.  D My Son  02:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Just because the history of a korean game is hard to find attested in the english internet does not make it non-notable. Very eurocentric. I restored this because for some reason, instead of properly keeping the articles merged as in the last deletion discussion, people went out of their way to eradicate the information represented herein from the page it was merged to. Tens of thousands of people were benefiting from this software project at its peak, and thousands still benefit from its successors today. I do not understand the contention that it is insignificant just because it is difficult to find western sources. --73.203.82.95 (talk) 06:43, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The contention is not that it is "insignificant" but that it lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. Such sources in Korean would be sufficient for writing an encyclopedia article on this topic were they to exist. czar  22:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Such sources exist on the korean internet and can be found easily. For example, from the korean gaming press: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ko&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamemeca.com%2Fview.php%3Fgid%3D124653 . This topic is primarily obscure only in english. To understand the significance of these software projects it is requisite and necessary to search the Korean internet as well as in the internet of the philippines, which are were most users are found, along with most reporting. Researching these things is difficult for me because the relevant languages aren't part of my cultural background or identity, but they ARE there. --73.203.82.95 (talk) 08:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry but isn't that brief section about jAthena, not eAthena, which is only mentioned in passing? And wouldn't anything that needs to be said about jAthena fit adequately within the parent article? Still not seeing the case for significant coverage here. czar  02:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Why are you lying? The eAthena forums are screenshotted clearly in the article; and more to the point, jAthena is not a distinct entity. The E and j are names refer to the language of transslation of a shared codebase. If you want to argue that there should be a generalised athena article, fine, by all means, but this is like arguing that the entire linux project is non-notable because few people use the esperanto tranlation. It is a red herring. --73.203.82.95 (talk) 09:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete, no indication that reliable sources, English, Korean or otherwise, give this software Significant Coverage. As a result, it fails WP:GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I've provided some indication in the chain above you. --73.203.82.95 (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)


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