Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EDON Club


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

EDON Club

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Fails WP:NORG. The cited sources are not independent at all, and a WP:BEFORE search found no good sources. (This article was created by a COI editor who restored it to mainspace after it was draftified.) Ovinus (talk) 15:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:20, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Ovinus (talk) 15:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * First I believe the Yale Daily News is completely independent from Yale, as per their Wikipedia article. Moreover The Cut and InsideHook articles are completely independent too, meeting criteria for being Independent, Significant, Reliable, and Secondary.
 * Moreover, the organisation is notable for the attention garnered from Yale-centric and external sources.
 * This article meets a similar standard to other clubs, such as the Campus Club at Princeton, an article published using exclusively Daily Princetonian articles. Xx.charli.xcx (talk) 11:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC) — Xx.charli.xcx (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Thank you for your points and analysis. Yale Daily News is a student-run newspaper, which to me implies fairly weak intellectual independence. If student-run newspapers were strong evidence of notability, then the bar for high school and especially college-level organizations would be much lower—any long-running school club would probably even pass. (I'm not aware of any actual guidelines on student-run newspapers, though.) The Cut article does include a fair amount of commentary, but is written by an EDON member and is an opinion piece to boot. That is weak intellectual independence. Finally, the InsideHook piece is built around an interview with Lin, the author of the Cut article, which is both weak intellectual independence with the other sources and with the EDON Club itself.
 * Even remaining agnostic on whether Campus Club deserves a stand-alone article, the comparison between the clubs is inaccurate. The EDON Club was (correct me if I'm wrong) formed less than two years ago. The Campus Club, according to the article, is more than 110 years old.
 * One last point: Please refrain from editing the EDON Club article for now. Our guideline for editors with a conflict of interest strongly discourages [COI editors] from editing affected articles directly, and Wikipedians tend to look down on such activities. Thanks! Ovinus (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi - I've done some digging into the sources about the club. I have no affiliation to EDON Club. The Yale Daily News has independent funding sources and is journalistically independent of the University.
 * Sources on Yale's Secret societies also tend to be very sparse due to the (obviously) secretive nature.
 * EDON Club looks like it is relatively on par with the Harvard Finals clubs and Princeton Eating clubs in terms of campus notablity which should address that issue.
 * I'd suggest deleting the notable members section (looks like a vanity edit) and adding more history about the building itself. Hanedakuukou (talk) 14:48, 2 August 2022 (UTC) — Hanedakuukou (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:ORG, small fraternity split off from Sigma Phi Epsilon in 2020. Can't see any significant coverage in reliable sources online; the closest thing to it is the blog post from New York magazine ("The Cut"), and that's insufficient as discussed by nominator above. Unclear why the article is spelling "Edon" in uppercase rather than Edon Club, as the club's own website spells it, but that's irrelevant here. Storchy (talk) 10:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete This is an organization therefore WP:NORG criteria applies. None of the references meet the criteria. The articles either rely *entirely* on information provided by the org or by people affiliated with the org or the information is taken from a PRIMARY source. All of that fails the test for "Independent Content" as per WP:ORGIND.  HighKing++ 15:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


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