Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EJ Topping, Author


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Kinu t /c  02:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

EJ Topping, Author

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Non-notable author lacking GHits and GNEWS of substance. Fails WP:BIO.  ttonyb (talk) 17:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails notability as author as well as WP:ACADEMIC This one seems open and shut to me.Jimsteele9999 (talk) 18:58, 2 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete – This piece of vanispamcruftisement looks like it's an autobiography, or else has some other WP:COI issues … certainly fails WP:AUTHOR as well as WP:GNG. Happy Editing! &mdash;  00:39, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:49, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - No coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete. I authored this article and attempted to provide proper references. I appreciate all of the above comments and I understand the concerns. Although I may have been a spec premature in entering this article, since his press release went out this past Monday, EJ has been invited on several radio shows and is in discussion with several TV talk shows including a potential religious debate with Bill Maher.
 * Notability is a complex subject which explains the difficulty in setting hardfast guidelines and obviously requires a series of agreeing judgements in some cases in order to make a delete, don't delete decision.
 * This is not a self-serving article as I stand to gain nothing from it. It is not vanispamcruftisement. However, I first met this person as a child in Mensa and I have interviewed him several times over the decades because I want to be his biographer if he passes away before I do.
 * He is an introvert and very much has lead a dual life of "acting like an extrovert" and leading a relatively secret life as a philosopher and intellectual introvert. Witness his website www.universallightchurch.org where he remains absolutely anonomous.
 * What makes EJ Topping notable, is the content of his words. There have been many authors, philosophers and religious leaders who were not "notable" until long after their death.
 * I will be glad to send a copy of his book to you and let you be the judge... since in this instance, you truly are the judge.Mr Grease (talk) 22:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC) — Mr Grease (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment – Wikipedia notability is very simple to establish. In this case it is a matter of meeting the criteria in WP:BIO using reliable sources.  Unfortunately, this article does not meet this criteria.  ttonyb  (talk) 22:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Notability may be a complex subject, but here at Wikipedia it has a very simple, precise, straightforward definition: Notability requires that the subject has received substantial coverage from independent, reliable sources. It's not a judgment of the quality of the person's work; it's just a determination of whether the wider world has recognized the person as notable or not. It's not a prediction of whether the person will become notable later. No doubt this criterion means that we sometimes omit people whose work will stand the test of time, but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; the person must be notable per Wikipedia's definition NOW if they are to have an article here. --MelanieN (talk) 00:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
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