Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/E Mare Libertas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was merge to Sealand. -Bobet 11:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

E Mare Libertas
So this is the "national anthem" of the micronation of Sealand, i.e. a handful of people on a British WWII flak platform who seem to have gained considerable publicity by pretending that they are a sovereign state. Given that these five or so people are probably the only ones who get to hear this anthem with any regularity, I fail to see the notability here. (The proposal WP:MUSIC/SONG says that official anthems of notable territories are notable, but Sealand being either a "territory" at all or having an "official" anything is at best debatable, given that no one recognises it.) At any rate, all substantial content is already in the infobox at Sealand, and I doubt that there's much more to be written about this tune. Sandstein 21:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exceptionally weak keep, given the notability of Sealand itself. If there's any more information out there in the wide world, then it would greatly strengthen the keep here. As it currently stands, I'll hardly complain if it is deleted. BigHaz 22:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Sealand. Otherwise, delete.  Non-notable in its own right, but of some interest to those fascinated by Sealand. Bastin 22:44, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge with Sealand, not notable in itself. Yomangani talk 00:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge & Redirect for reasons above. &mdash;ExplorerCDT 03:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

This anthem has particular meaning in that it is defying the UK's claim of ruling the island. It doesn't matter what different people think about the legality of the microstate, it still exists. It has political meaning and should be expanded, not deleted.
 * Comment: I don't really care about its political meaning, but it does have a place ready for it in the Sealand article right next to the section entitled "Coins." &mdash;ExplorerCDT 19:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC) (besides, unsigned comments don't get counted).


 * Keep and expand would be the best option in my opinion.
 * Merge with Sealand, if nobody will expand it. Mm pie
 * Keep, as we have anthem pages for other small nations. Sealand is notable and attracts a lot of attention at Wikipedia, as the most prominent micro-nation.  Seeking to remove this article entirely shows the worst aspects of the worst editors here, who try to delete the content of other editors.  The comment that there's little to be written about the anthem shows extreme prejudice, as it isn't at all clear that this is the case.  Badagnani 07:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: San Marino is a small nation, whilst Sealand is not. Sealand is a sea fort, or, to use the technical definition, a micronation.  According to the article, micronations are also, quite justifiably, described as 'fantasy countries'.  That speaks volumes. Bastin 09:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge into Sealand and then delete. Also remove from the template. Batmanand | Talk 15:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Given the probable consensus outcome, I've now merged what there was to merge to Sealand. Redirect away. Sandstein 16:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment on Comment: This editor again shows extreme prejudice. Consensus is reached when all agree.  There is no agreement here, as certain editors seem to be trying to destroy the contributions of other editors, again showing the worst aspects of those who are here at Wikipedia.  Badagnani 19:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Your behaviour is unduly incivil. Please read Consensus (hint: It's not "when all agree"), WP:NPA and WP:AGF. I'm not destroying anything, just making the closing admin's life easier. And if the AfD result is not in fact merge, nothing is lost. Sandstein 19:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.