Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earl Grey of Chimay


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete via CSD G7 (Non-admin closure). — sparklism hey! 11:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Earl Grey of Chimay

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A musician, minor member of a notable group who seems to fail WP:CREATIVE and WP:GNG since I can't find any third-party sources that would possibly establish standalone notability that isn't inherited. The only additional references given in the article are links to a few of the group's fan pages, and a single interview with a college newspaper or magazine. § FreeRangeFrog 21:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Just added third party source articles to establish standalone notability. He has been a member of Blackmore's Night (notable) for nearly five years, appeared on two studio albums, one live album, and one DVD released on Sony Records (notable) (hardly a minor role). In response to "failing" WP:CREATIVE, under Wiki Creative Professionals, he satisfies #3 in creating a collective body of work that has been the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, and #4 the person's work has won signficant critical attention (as a musician and viral video producer). --Nhlrnger72 (talk) 22:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment First, every single link you added fails to establish the subject's notability. Those articles in the NYT don't even mention him at all, and even if they did it would probably be considered trivial and secondary coverage at best. Second, notability is not inherited. Third, you removed the deletion notice at the top. You shouldn't do that, and it makes no difference as to the outcome of this discussion. § FreeRangeFrog 23:48, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Also should delete Mike Clemente, a redirect the author created to this page for the subject's supposed real name, which nothing in the article does anything to vet. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

I see where this is going. Don't you people have anything else better to do with your time than sit there and judge one's notability solely based on your opinion and biased interpretation of Wikipedia's policies? Why is this so important to you? What exactly makes you the authority? There are thousands of other pages of entertainers on Wikipedia that you could nitpick with the same excuses to delete as you are with this page. Notability is not inherited? Of course it is, how does one become notable in the first place? And how could one possibly maintain any notability if individuals like you keep deleting Wikipedia pages of individuals who fit the criteria of having one? This individual has and continues to produce a wide body of notable work, with published references to prove. A page about him on Wikipedia is not going to make any burden to this site. I protest your move to delete, and I protest the idea that individuals like yourself have the ability to control and influence what sort of information should be made available on this website. --Nhlrnger72 (talk) 09:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Blackmore's Night. I don't feel a standalone article is justified but as a member of a notable band with some verifiable information that isn't currently in the band article, this should be merged and redirected. Members of notable bands are always at least valid search terms for the band and should at the very least be redirects. --Michig (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't know what is there to merge since the group's article does not include bio info on minor members (who this person is), but I think a redirect would be the most appropriate thing given that it's a plausible search term. § FreeRangeFrog 20:21, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The majority of individual musicians that are listed in other notable rock band wikipedia pages all have their own wikipedia page. Some of the former members mentioned in this particular group's article also have their own individual wikipedia pages.--Centerhdlp5273 (talk) 07:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC) — Centerhdlp5273 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * comment WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. The references added today mention Mike Clemente in passing, and even if this article is on Mike Clemente (there are no references that establish that fact), the businesswire reference is only a passing mention on a press release site and the YouTube video is from Earl Grey's own website, thus doing nothing to prove notability.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:09, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep If the man is good enough to play with Ritchie Blackmore for five years, he's good enough to have a wikipedia page.--Ghostofrd (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC) — Ghostofrd (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Merge and redirect to Blackmore's Night, as there is no evidence of standalone notability. — sparklism  hey! 10:34, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per FreeRangeFrog and Sparklism. I don't see how a band member who is not mentioned individually in the best sources can even claim independent notability.  While many band memebers may have their own articles, most band members do not have such articles.  It is no criticism of their talent. Bearian (talk) 19:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * NOTE Article was CSD'd G7, so if some kind admin can close this? Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:01, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.