Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East Coast Vijayan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

East Coast Vijayan

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Non notable person. Kutyava (talk) 05:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 05:50, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CptViraj (📧) 05:50, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * The Page has been already reviewed by User:Wilhelmina_Will.this article does meet notability criteria Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  14:08, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment The fact an article has been reviewed by someone is not an automatic counter to be questions of notability. It was reviewed in 2011  when standards were lower.  It made huge unsourced claims and is mostly sourced to the person's website.  Other statements aren't supported by the sources.  I've removed several of the significant claims that weren't sourced, rephrased a few things and tagged what else needs to be sourced.  I added the "primary sources" tag since almost half of the sources are to their website.  Of the remaining sources, one is an interview which doesn't help notability.  One is a list which doesn't help much, one is a short passing mention and the other talks about him for a paragraph at most.  The films get more support for notability. This article can use some help to make it an easy pass, and I think that's out there for an interested editor.  Ravensfire  (talk) 01:54, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable person. Fails notability standards. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:51, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

* Strongly recommend to KEEP This is a very notable person in the Indian Movie and Music industry. He is one of the very popular music and music video producers and also a noted movie director. This article has already been reviewed and definitely passes the notability criteria. This is an Unnecessary tag to remove this article and I recommend that this article should be retained. Duryodan001 (talk) 18:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC) — has only contributed to the article(s) under discussion for deletion and this XFD page. Cabayi (talk) 20:37, 8 January 2020 (UTC) Struck sock vote. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 14:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

* Recommend to KEEP He is a notable person in the Indian Movie industry, having produced several movies and also into the Music industry. He has published several albums and some of them were super hits in Malayalam. This article should be retained CosmicAdvent (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2020 (UTC) Struck sock vote. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 14:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you explain about the notability of the person. Kutyava (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: So far we've had one decent analysis of the sources, two people just saying he's not notable without elaborating, and two people saying he is notable without evidence. Further participation to reach a useful consensus would be appreciated.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ mazca  talk 12:11, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep:He is well known in the field of film producer, director and Lyricist in malayalam film industry.and He also produced and directed more than five films
 * Movie 1[|Novel_(film)]
 * Movie 2
 * Movie 3 [My Boss (2012) ]
 * Movie 4
 * Movie 5
 * These sources are ample to indicate his notability.-- Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  09:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Imdb & Wikipedia are user generated content and not reliable sources. Cabayi (talk) 09:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * To build on this comment, notability is not transferable. The films themselves are notable, but that doesn't transfer here. We need good sources that are not interviews that have extensive coverage of the article subject, and that's just not here.  There is some pretty obvious promotional edits happening here with the AFD socks showing up to vote keep with no policy basis.   Ravensfire  (talk) 15:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete There just aren't the sources with extensive coverage about this person present in the article despite specific requests being made. Some of the edits here suggest that some COI / UPE is happening with the AFD keep socks showing up suddenly.  There are sources for films, but that doesn't transfer.  Ravensfire  (talk) 15:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: :I don't know if the people who came here were AFD socks. If so, Please notify the CheckUser.BTW film producer like other creative professionals qualify via WP:ARTIST by producing notable work.East Coast Vijayan has been a producer  of many projects that have their own Wikipedia articles. Here I adding few credible references
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/East-Coast-Vijayan/news
 * https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/mollywood/030619/i-was-at-the-right-place-at-the-right-time-says-east-coast-vijayan.html
 * https://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/malayalam/2010/nov/12/mohabbat-202147.html
 * https://www.khaleejtimes.com/citytimes/bollywood/dream-debut-with-new-film-jilebi
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/news/Njanoru-Malayali-song-from-Jilebi/articleshow/48250149.cms
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movies/previews/My-Boss/articleshow/13842026.cms
 * https://nanaonline.in/tag/east-coast-vijayan/page/2/
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/a-traditional-launch-for-a-new-gen-movie/articleshow/69857222.cms
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/movie-reviews/jilebi/movie-review/48328649.cms
 * https://malayalam.news18.com/photogallery/film/movies-from-the-audio-launch-of-east-coast-vijayan-movie-chila-newgen-naattuviseshangal-129033.html
 * https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/malayalam/music/p-jayachandran-dialogues-disrupt-music-in-todays-films/articleshow/69771397.cms
 * https://tv.mathrubhumi.com/en/news/movies-and-music/east-coast-vijayan-dons-director-s-cap-in-chila-new-gen-nattuvisheshangal--1.23552

In addition, there are numerous articles about him in the local news media.
 * https://www.mathrubhumi.com/videos/movies-music/paribhavam-video-song-chila-newgen-nattuvisheshangal-kj-yesudas-1.3980646
 * https://www.manoramaonline.com/music/music-news/2019/06/20/shreya-ghoshal-song-in-oru-new-gen-nattu-viseshangal.html
 * https://www.mathrubhumi.com/movies-music/music/actor-sarath-das-remembering-violinist-balabhaskar-paatinte-paalazhi-1.3212500
 * He Clearly meets WP:GNG,WP:ARTIST WP:FILMMAKER-- Padavalam Kuttan Pilla   Talk  19:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , a fair number of those sources either aren't reliable sources as Wikipedia defines them, or they have at best a passing mention of East Cost Vijayan. For example, the 1st and 7th sources are just searches on those websites - that's not a source for Wikipedia.  Others are about films and have a passing mention at best - that's not helpful for establishing notability.  They help the FILM show notability, but that doesn't transfer to here.  Interviews, like the 2nd source, also don't help much for notability.  Could you list the top three or four sources that have significant coverage of Vijayan?   Ravensfire  (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * @ ... I read it is possible for creative artists of well known work per WP:AUTHOR/WP:ARTIST/WP:FILMMAKER guideline to have notabilty established through the work; and in such cirumstance a single mention can be a significant mention; thus I might argue would be good ... except it is a pre-release and not a post-release source which is a problem and possibly disallows it.  But the key point is having best three sources to scrutinise in depth for discussions such as this.Djm-leighpark (talk) 03:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We'd appreciate one more round to discuss this. Thanks everyone. A few other reviewers would be great.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 18:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Neutral: This is an absolute case of help me to be able to able to !vote support. And my gut instinct is this should be a !vote support ... by a scrape, as on the face of it we do probably have a satisfaction of WP:ARTIST/WP:FILEMAKER from WP:V sources.  But ... Every meaningless WP:VAGUEWAVE !vote of someone's opinion simply gets in the way and looks like a WP:VOTESTACK.  We are simply swamped by sources presented to keep and when I go into many I find the poorest of quality there ... so if we do have WP:RS amongst them its been cluttered out by the crud.  Please can someone THINK and when presenting foreign language sources at fully elaborate the cites including trans-title, dates authors, website etc .... even quotes.  If no-one can be arsed to that then I've I'm not going to consider source worthwhile.  Please please please read WP:THREE, three or even two WP:RS sources would keep this.  There's been a right WP:BATTLEGROUND going on with shame tagging on the article and various reports in parallel with this AFD with attempts to get the chief supported blocked and various negative COI's and vexatious article shame tagging.  The whole thing is a mess.Djm-leighpark (talk) 00:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


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