Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eastern Hungarian Kingdom (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Nominator fails to advance an argument for deletion. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 20:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Eastern Hungarian Kingdom
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 * Merge to Principality of Transylvania. This article was erased in the past, but re-created. There is no need for a distinct article, because roughly all the content is contained in a section of the article about the Principality of Transylvania. Moreover, the term isn't widely used (only 12 Gooble Books results). The name isn't mentioned at all in the articles about the two supposed rulers of "Eastern Hungarian Kingdom" (John I of Hungary and John II Sigismund Zápolya). There were not two separate Hungarian kingdoms ("Western Hungarian Kingdom" and "Eastern Hungarian Kingdom") but a kingship dispute for the throne of Hungary between Ferdinand of Austria and John I of Hungary Iaaasi (talk) 10:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge to Principality of Transylvania, which correctly opens with a section on the Eastern Hungarian Kingdom. While sourcing is not super-swell, there is a pretty good graphic or two here and the Transylvania article is also poorly sourced. Lose the info box of the latter article if necessary to make room for graphics. Carrite (talk) 16:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:51, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose Eastern Hungarian Kingdom was a separate entity, however it was not always like this. It is not entirely equal with history of Transylvania or history of Principality of Transylvania. After battle of Mohacs, there was not obvious who is the king of Hungary and (for instance) nobles supported John Zapolya (Janos Szapolyai) from the northern and western parts of Kingdom of Hungary too, his title was King of Hungary. It is not just about the Transylvanian region.Fakirbakir (talk) 18:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment According to the map from the article the territory of the "Eastern Hungarian Kingdom" overlaps over the territory of the Principality of Transylvania. It is the predecessor of the Principality of Transylvania (Iaaasi (talk) 18:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC))
 * Comment After decades it became the predecessor. Initially it was not like this. But it is not a reason to delete this article. The detailed informations about Eastern Hungarian Kingdom can be found here, on its own page. We do have enough space here to negotiate its historical processions. Page of Principality of Transylvania does not have to emphasize everything about this, that would be too long there. Another thing, this page is incomplete. We must improve it the deletion would be senseless in my opinion. Fakirbakir (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep No valid reasons provided. Moreover it is acknowledged that the state in question existed and is referred to as "Eastern Hungarian Kingdom" in reliable sources. Now it is even acknowledged that it was "the predecessor of the Principality of Transylvania" with that admission the last straws go out the window. Hobartimus (talk) 18:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to the Principality article, this is a mere fork (POV fork, even). Dahn (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.