Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eastpak Antidote Tour


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Anti-Flag. There is certainly a consensus here that the content is unsuitable for a full standalone article. That said, no particular argument has been made as to why the content requires outright deletion: Glenfarclas's point is a valid one and I have left the history intact in case there's any salvageable, sourceable information for merging purposes ~ mazca  talk 00:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Eastpak Antidote Tour

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Non notable concert tour that fails WP:MUSIC and WP:GNG. Although a number of references are presented, the majority use [www.setlist.fm], which is itself a wiki and so fails WP:RS. The remaining references serve only to list the tour dates. They are not reviews of any of the gigs and do not establish any notability. They certainly do not meet the requirement of GNG of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Nouse4aname (talk) 10:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Also nominating the related tour for the same reasons.


 * Delete Both clearly fail all guidelines cited. These sorts of "articles" cheapen WP... Doc9871 (talk) 10:36, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Just like blogs, wikis aren't necessarily unreliable sources. Wikis can be closed to only a number of selected editors in which case it could very well be reliable. (It's not in this case, but I wanted to make sure this kind of misinformation doesn't spread.) Reliability of a source depends on who writes it and who publishes it. What sort of software is used to do it, is of no importance. - Mgm|(talk) 10:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, not all wikis are bad. But in this instance it is a wiki aimed at 12 year old kids to post to set list of the recent gig they went to (ok, that's cynical), but there are invariably more reliable sources than wikis, and if there aren't then that's an indication of the notability or lack thereof... Nouse4aname (talk) 10:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Source material aside, I'm against keeping these pages (and their ilk) for another simple reason. Does any and every tour from any and every band deserve its own page?  Clogging WP with this sort of trivial list-making... It's a principle thing for me... Doc9871 (talk) 11:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Perhaps we need a subsection of WP:MUSIC specifically aimed at tours... perhaps I start a discussion over there... Nouse4aname (talk) 11:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This wiki can be edited by anyone(I have edited it myself), so it is completely unreliable. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but this wiki isn't meant to be used as a primary source. Everything that is presented here should be supported by reliable sources as per WP:V. Nouse4aname (talk) 13:09, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete No evidence of significant coverage anywhere. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why can't you people understand the Setlist.fm wiki sources are just for the setlists. The reason this page exists is for the tour dates and thats what there is, tour dates with links to various sites who confirm those and served as reliable sources for the tour. I spend so much time collecting tour info, tour dates, bands bill on tour, only to get all my tour articles here on WP deleted. Its been done to a Rise Against tour page I made, its been done to two Europe tour pages I made, and now this. I don't see a reason why a band like this can't get its own page for a tour, if a band like My Chemical Romance gets a page, and even if bands like Guns N' Roses and Bon Jovi are million times bigger, its not a reason for their tours to be so notable. There's page for small Iron Maiden tours of like one month, sure the band is big but who said a month long tour is notable? I don't see a reason why all those pages I work hard on and create get this delete nomination, just because such a tour is not notable like an Iron Maiden month long tour, or Deep Purple's first tour page which is like 10 dates... JackShestak (talk) 03:10, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Now, I can't speak for all us "people", but I can tell you that putting your hard work into something that is bound to get deleted seems like an awful waste. I've been on a few Grateful Dead tours, where getting the setlist for every show is like a religion for some people (myself included at the time).  Should there be a page for every tour the Dead ever did?  The amount of useless information would be staggering.  Set lists like the ones you complain about being deleted belong on fan sites, not WP... Doc9871 (talk) 06:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Coffee //  have a cup  //  flagged revs now!  // 05:27, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Merge/redirect to Anti-Flag. I don't know that this article "cheapen[s]" Wikipedia, but amassing WP:INDISCRIMINATE information certainly dilutes it.  At any rate, this particular tour isn't sufficiently notable for a stand-alone article, but if anyone considers a few sentences particularly important they should be worked into the main article, and the redirect should be left as it might conceivably be useful for someone.  --Glenfarclas (talk) 07:56, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.