Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Echo Chernik


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. Petros471 14:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Echo Chernik

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Not Notable. This article's content is mostly from three single purpose editors (two registered and one IP). I've tried to improve the article myself by adding some references, but all I can find are primary sources that the subject's directly affiliated with. The article's been tagged with primarysources since February without any improvement. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 04:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete Not notable.  Suspect author  HollyTeacher is Echo Chernik or some relative, since only contributions by this editor is this article and editing other articles to include her name.--Work permit 05:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete definitely not speedy, but borderlines non-notability. WooyiTalk, Editor review 05:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment  This article appears to be a violation WP:AUTO, in addition of course to the WP:N issue the nominator gave.  The article was created by a user named  Echochernik, who also uploaded an image of Echo Chernik and asserted that the user created the image. It's fair to assume  Echochernik, the original author, is Echo Chernik, the subject of this article.   Echochernik's contributions to this article and wikipedia ended last year on dec 21, just when  HollyTeacher's began. Most of HollyTeacher's contributions were regarding Echo Chernik.  This would lead one to suspect Hollyteacher is Echochernik as well. In addition, it appears  71.3.245.65 may be a sockpuppet of Echo Chernik/HollyTeacher.  Most contributions made by 71.3.245.65 was adding Echo Chernik info to other pages.  71.3.245.65 even added Echo Cherniks Birthday to pages such as August 30.--Work permit 06:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete under the assumption there are not independent reviews. Weak because the work seems like it might possibly have been reviewed. One of the problems with people doing their own articles is that sometimes they don't do them very well-- she is also included in the Pen & Paper  database under Heather McKinney Chernik, and I added the reference.  DGG 21:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello - This is the artist. I'm not sure where to make notes on this. The person who posted this article under Echochernik, did so from a student interview (for their school) and is not the artist. All my online accounts are under echox, which is my screenname whenever possible (including on wikipedia). I was emailed today to come here and help clear this up. I believe Holly was a student of mine a long time ago (I used to teach illustration at Skidmore and Pratt); and I believe it's the same person. I'm not sure if it's the same person who wrote the article - I don't think so. Either way, neither are me (me being the artist), nor are any of the other screennames. I guess they don't want their article deleted, which is why they wrote to me to clear it up. I go by echox whenever possible.

So, let me know if you need to talk, or whatever - to verify that I am indeed me (the artist) and I did not write the article - in fact, I didn't know about it until today. It looks like the information from the interview. I do about ten or twelve interviews a year.

Email me if you want to clarify the authorship of this. ((I think that's why they wanted me to post)). But, no the person who wrote this is not a relative - and we have never met (beyond the email interview). Let me know if you need any other information from me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Echox (talk • contribs) 11:42, May 7, 2007


 * Comment I'd like to thank Mrs. Chernik for writing to clarify the authorship of the article. The notability issue still remains in that I continue to be unable to find independent references for this article. There have been three new articles listed under the references section- without any additions to the article's text or an indication of which parts of the text are supported by the references. Two of them still don't seem to be independent sources (Mrs. Chernik is listed as a member on both publications' websites) and the third is from an as of yet unpublished book. While I am sure that Mrs. Chernik is a fine and in demand illustrator, it doesn't seem she has as of yet passed the threshold of notability for inclusion. &mdash;Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 17:51, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


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