Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Echo Ranch Bible Camp (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Auke Bay. None of the material in the article was sourced to acceptable sources so there isn't much to merge, but of course editors can add info to Auke Bay that's sourced to WP:RS/WP:V sources. Cirt (talk) 13:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Echo Ranch Bible Camp
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This was a no consensus keep earlier this year but there's still no evidence of notability. Still fails WP:ORG because the trivial RS coverage just talks about the camp offering camp programs. Nothing that establishes notability or differentiates it from any other camp. Thoughts? TravellingCari 17:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Peterkingiron (talk) 16:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No claim to notability, nor any evidence that it exists. There aren't any sources cited, and there don't appear to be any. B figura  (talk) 23:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as lacking notability. X MarX the Spot (talk) 06:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Per WP:ORG "Organizations whose activities are local in scope are usually not notable unless verifiable information from reliable independent sources can be found." Google News has a dozen Juneau Empire stories on the camp, a couple Anchorage Daily News, a Capital City Weekly (also Juneau), and a Mount Vernon reference (Washington state, presumably?).  There's one Google Book mention. All those are reliable and independent, and there's a ton of unaffiliated churches whose websites mention the camp, too. It's an important place in a sparsely populated state, and meets the notability guides as written.  Granted, the article does need to be augmented and cleaned up. Jclemens (talk) 07:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment "mentioning" the camp doesn't mean it's notable. I'm mentioned in Google and my company is mentioned too -- neither of us is notable just because we exist. Local camps (like churches) generally aren't notable except for some factor that makes the exception. TravellingCari  12:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Suggest merging with Auke Bay, Alaska (where it is), cutting the article down to a single paragraph with an external links as a reference. This is commonly a satisfacotry solution for articles on local facilities.
 * A merge to Auke Bay would be better than deletion, per WP:NNC and WP:ATD. Jclemens (talk) 17:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ff m  01:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom: fails WP:ORG. Tavix (talk) 03:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge with Auke Bay: I created this page with the view that this camp was notable enough in the state to be worth mentioning. I also created it in the hopes that people could come by with more information to spruce the page up. Looking back, I still think it's notable enough to mention, but perhaps it's not notable enough for its own page. Admiral Memo (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Non notable ORG. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:N & WP:ORG. --Googlean (talk) 10:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep If an organization has to be in Encyclopedia Britannica before it can be notable, why bother with Wikipedia at all? Seems significant & notable in its own realm.Swimmer1207 (talk) 22:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly this class of articles needs to make a good case for notability and this one fails. If someone wants to merge this into the settlement article feel free to do so outside of this AfD.  Vegaswikian (talk) 01:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.