Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ed Sadler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Fear Zero. Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC) (originally closed as Redirect by 4meter4 but the templates weren't placed correctly so I reclosed it with the same result Liz Read! Talk! 23:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC))

Ed Sadler

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fail to see how Sadler is notable outside of his work with Fear Zero, all related coverage is in relation to that, so a standalone article doesn't make sense. Proposing a delete and redirect. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Praxidicae, I am afraid I have to disagree with your suggestion. Ed Sadler is the founder of the band Fear Zero . He was a member of other bands, and has collaborated with an extensive list of known artists outside of his band. I didn't have the time to add all the info today. Please keep in mind that this article is only a day old and not complete yet. It's a work in progress. You're welcome to add any additional info that you might find about this artist. Thanks. ~ Ryzen2014 (talk) 22:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Ryzen2014 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * If its not complete enough to establish notability then it should be re-directed to the band and you can work on the standalone article in Draft at your own pace. By publishing and insisting it is notable, you are forcing other editors to review the article and make a decision. Slywriter (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand. Give me a couple of days and it should be notable enough. Ryzen2014 (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in the way of coverage to be found in newspapers, magazines or books. Time won't change that. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:24, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * "Time won't change that." That's just rude, man. The guy is a legend, loads of people praise his songwriting, singing and guitar playing. Newspaper articles aren't always archived, that doesn't mean they weren't written. Again, give me a couple of days, ye of little faith. Ryzen2014 (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * AfDs run for seven days, so you'll have your time. Iseult   Δx parlez moi 22:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! Ryzen2014 (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Redirect Not enough in-depth significant coverage to establish notability separate from the band Slywriter (talk) 22:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fear Zero - it appears the coverage of the band is significant enough to convey notability, and everything that I see in the article right now is the subject's work in relation to the band. It makes more sense, if there's not enough about him but enough about the band, and if the subject is a potential search term, to bounce to the band. Some of the detail in this article could also be merged to the band article, potentially, to flesh that out. (Note that I removed a redirect from the band article to this one - let's leave both unredirected until this process is complete.) Tony Fox (arf!) 23:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tony Fox Why not! I'd be actually down to merge both articles, as long as one of the sections focuses on Ed Sadler's songwriting and musical projects outside of Fear Zero. Ryzen2014 (talk) 23:59, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fear Zero - much of the detail in this article is really about Fear Zero, and could be integrated into that article. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 23:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If we merge Ed Sadler with Fear Zero, then Ed Sadler deserves at least one or two sections in the Fear Zero page. Without him, the band would have never existed. It's his band. (http://www.pgfreepress.com/fear-zero-at-generator/) He wrote all the songs and co-produced them, and he chose the members of his band. It's like Tom Petty, and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. The two pages exist on wikipedia, dedicated separately to the solo artist and the band. Why not do the same in the present case? Ryzen2014 (talk) 00:11, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Because there are a vast number of independent, reliable sources that discuss Tom Petty in depth, while there are, as far as I can see, essentially none that do so for Sadler. I don't see a single independent source in the Sadler article that actually discusses Sadler in depth; they are all either about the band, or they are interviews, press releases and other non-independent sources.You would be well advised to spend your time finding proper sources for Sadler, which is the only way to demonstrate notability, rather than responding to everyone who comments in this AFD. Doing so can be viewed as bludgeoning, which definitely does not make your case stronger. CodeTalker (talk) 01:01, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fear Zero. There is room in the article to also merge and then redirect. Bruxton (talk) 14:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Fear Zero. The comparison to Tom Petty is ludicrous. Cullen328 (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect and protect I was AGFing until the Tom Petty comparison. It is clear the creator does not understand notability and given they're already bringing this to AN, appears unlikely they'd respect consensus. Star   Mississippi  16:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)


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