Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edberg–Lendl rivalry (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. Withdrawn by the nominator and no outstanding !votes for deletion. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 10:40, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Edberg–Lendl rivalry
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It is just a repository of results and is unsourced. There are also no reliable sources, which describe this as a rivalry. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about about my edits? 09:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:19, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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*Delete see below This is just a list of results. There is no suggestion that there was a "rivalry", they just happened to be two of the top players of the time. The topic does not exist. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 19:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Similar tennis rivalry articles have been deleted recently, e.g. Articles for deletion/Agassi–Chang rivalry (2nd nomination). The problem is that without independent media coverage about 'the rivalry' itself, these articles are nothing but head-to-head results lists, and we have no prose to go with it. It then fails WP:NOTSTATSBOOK.
 * According to WP:NSPORTS, rivalries are not inherently notable. We need several sources about the rivalry to justify having a standalone article about it. That's also what we included in the notability guidelines on the wikiproject tennis recently WikiProject_Tennis/Article_guidelines.
 * If somebody can find sources we can keep this article, otherwise it is a delete. MakeSense64 (talk) 11:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Again two former world number one players who met 27 times head to head compared to Federer v Nadal 26 times including 9 Grand Slam tournament encounters and three Masters Grand Prix year end finals encounters between them I really don't know how you feel this was not rivalry as with the Mandlikova Evert rivalry you just need to look for the media coverage. I can't believe this its like saying lets fast forward 15 years from now when someone else on wikipedia decides that remember those matches between Nadal v Djokovic well they were just a series of head to head matches between two former number one players.--Navops47 (talk) 17:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but without reliable sources identifying this as a rivalry, it is just a list of matches between two top 10 players. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 18:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment reference here to their Grand Slam rivalry Charlotte Observer 1992. If it wasn't a serious rivalry why are Amazon selling a book about it http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edberg-Lendl-Rivalry-Frederic-P-Miller/dp/6134281913 --Navops47 (talk) 03:22, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Another reference here to Edberg being involved in classic rivalry's (Lendl mentioned) from the ATP no less http://m.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-US-Open-2008/Edberg-Offers-A-Champions-Reflection.aspx.
 * Withdraw nomination in light of the sources found by Navops47. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 09:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment It's good to see these AfD come to a reasonable close. Edberg-Lendl and Evert-Mandlikova were the borderline cases, and now that sources about the rivalry have been found, they can stay as standalone articles. Now the tennis rivalry articles have been cleaned up and it confirms the guidelines we tried to set for them. MakeSense64 (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Withdrawing delete in light of refs found. In future, whoever is creating these articles should consider finding the refs before posting the article. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 17:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Agree they should have been properly attributed during creation--Navops47 (talk) 07:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that's why I tried to add a guideline about it on the tennis project. Hoping (dreaming) that at least a few will read it before creating more rivalry articles. MakeSense64 (talk) 08:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.