Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie Hall (racing driver)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 13:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Eddie Hall (racing driver)

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De-PRODed without explanation. Unable to find significant coverage of the subject of this WP:BLP from independent reliable sources. Article does nothing to establish significance or notability. WP:BEFORE searches only return information about the strongman (who seems to be the primary topic for the article title) or about Edward Ramsden Hall. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:15, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Performing a Google search for "Eddie Hall racing" or "Eddie Hall racing driver" brings his official website up at or near the top of the results on a UK search. Credible sources found on at least two national newspapers and details of books recorded on the British library using an ISBN search (https://www.bl.uk/) which I can also add as an additional ref if required. I suspect due to the individual no longer being active in racing (2 years?) is why no recent information is easy to find about racing results. FactFinderGeneral 09:27, 27 January 2022 (GMT)
 * Can you link to the two sources? At the moment I'd vote delete but I want to see what you've found first. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 09:36, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell they're referring to this very brief article which was published in a local newspaper that appears to be a WP:ROUTINE announcement. Anything else I can find relating to "Eddie Hall racing" or "Eddie Hall racing driver" is about Edward Ramsden Hall, not this Eddie Hall. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That is correct they are the newspaper sources already listed (that and a similar article in the Gazette). I've added more sources relating to his books as there seems to be more details on him in the British Library and on Amazon FactFinderGeneral 14:57, 27 January 2022 (GMT)
 * So far as I can see they are two identical four-sentence-long articles which consist of very little more than "local man has book published" with a brief description of who he is. Even if this were considered more than WP:ROUTINE coverage they would only count as one source and they wouldn't establish him as being notable for more than WP:ONEEVENT. Nothing else seems to be independent of the subject. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fine, you guys have much better knowledge of Wikipedia policies than me. As an impartial contributor I just think it would be a shame to see a 15 year old wiki article removed based on the individual no longer being viewed as notable enough, hence my position on Keep FactFinderGeneral 09:12, 28 January 2022 (GMT)
 * The length of time the article has existed for does not come into consideration of whether it should exist (see discussion at WP:OLDARTICLE). The article has not proved its notability to begin with, so it should not have been included to begin with. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 09:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, obviously it's up to the administrators to make a decision and it's all good learning for an occasional hobby editor such as myself. As this kind of sets a precedent for me, I'd suggest this similar page should also be considered for deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Martin_(racing_driver) as there is even less claim to significance. This has been a good learning experience for me and perhaps I could call on HumanBodyPiloter5 and 5225C for guidance in future? FactFinderGeneral 16:08, 31 January 2022 (GMT)
 * I agree that that article lacks a claim to significance and if it were to be nominated for deletion I would !vote for it. I would also be happy to answer any questions you have at any time. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 13:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not convinced at all by that. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 04:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete – No claim to significance and unable to meet the GNG with the few sources available, which in my opinion are of questionable quality. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 04:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. A 4-sentence blurb is not SIGCOV, and if that's the best we can find then he definitely does not meet GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Appears to fail GNG. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the article was written by the subject or someone working for them, as he seems to have a very high opinion of himself. From the website description on google of his personal site "...the world famous racing driver" and from which describes some of his extremely minor achievements, followed by "Since then he has gone on to become a legend of the highest order". A7V2 (talk) 23:56, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Eighteen seasons in a notable British karting championship with multiple titles, and legitimate newspaper coverage and bibliography. User:MyanMar2022 09:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited, and the subject has not received independent coverage. As discussed above (and below), his newspaper appearances are questionably legitimate and certainly not significant. The bibliography doesn't count for anything in a deletion discussion. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 13:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Unlike said above, that karting championship doesn't meet any of the WP:NMOTORSPORT criteria. I've also checked the sources, and 1st one (said as "legitimate newspaper coverage") is just a short blurb of few sentences (meaning not WP:SIGCOV), and the rest are coming either from unreliable sources, or are listings of his books and events. My searches brought up nothing for him or his books. Bibliography means little unless there are reviews of the said book in reliable sources in order to meet WP:NAUTHOR, which there aren't. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


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