Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie Hearn (2nd nomination)


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The result was Keep per established notability, though article needs work Metamagician3000 (talk) 10:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Eddie Hearn
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Subject lacks notability. Chris Troutman ( talk ) 20:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Did you Google this guy before you nominated the article? Keep. Multiple published sources in both media   and books  .--Samuel J. Howard (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, I did (per WP:BEFORE). I don't think that sourcing is sufficient for GNG. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 01:53, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that the sources you have provided clearly demonstrate that the subject passes Notability. Cunard (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Here are two such sources (there are many more on Google News):  The article notes (bolding added for emphasis): "Three and a half years later, Hearn is British boxing’s dominant promoter. He has an exclusive, 23-fights-a-year deal with Sky until the summer of 2016. Many of the country’s best talent have flocked to his Matchroom stable. And on Saturday night comes his crowning glory, Froch v George Groves II, in front of 80,000 people at Wembley." This article provides substantial coverage of the subject.  The article notes (bolding added for emphasis): "Eddie joined Matchroom Sport in 2000 after working in the sponsorship and event management industry and in a short space of time has become arguably the biggest boxing promoter in Europe. ... 'Eddie has coped despite the albatross around his neck of being Barry Hearn's son,' he says. 'He is no longer Barry Hearn's son. He is Eddie Hearn, a stand-alone performer, and that is his biggest achievement.'" This article also provides substantial coverage about the subject. I do not support a merge because there is substantial coverage about the subject himself rather than just about the events he organizes. Excessive information about Eddie Hearn in Matchroom Sport would be undue weight in violation of Neutral point of view. There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Eddie Hearn to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2014 (UTC) 
 * Merge and redirect to Matchroom Sport. He's possibly notable himself but the coverage and the content here indicates a merge to the company. --Michig (talk) 07:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Matchroom Sport The coverage of him seems to consist mainly of passing mentions or be related to his promotions and fighters. It's questionable whether or not there's enough coverage to show he's notable enough for a separate article, but redirecting to the promotion company is a good idea. Papaursa (talk) 16:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect He doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG independent of his work as a promoter. All of the coverage I saw does not provide significant coverage of him, but rather passing mentions of his work with various fighters. Papaursa (talk) 02:12, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * My problem is that I'm not seeing coverage about Eddie Hearn that doesn't relate to his duties at the promotion company. I'm not seeing a reason (or supporting evidence) for two separate articles. Papaursa (talk) 20:27, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Here are five sources that discuss Eddie Hearn's early life and personal life. "Nothing expresses the essence of Barry and Eddie Hearn’s relationship quite like the tale of what the father was doing when his son, heir to a sporting dynasty and now frontman for the biggest fight in British history, came into the world. Far from tenderly clutching wife Susan’s hand in the delivery room, the incorrigible Hearn Snr was embroiled in battle at Romford Snooker Hall. “It was 1-1!” he protests. “I was playing my mate Crunchy Warne for 50 quid. She has still not forgiven me after 44 years of marriage.”  Even as an oblivious newborn, Eddie was being steeped in the family’s uncompromising sport-first ethos. His dad’s eyes dance with mischief at the memory.  “Someone at the hospital rang to say, ‘Your wife’s in the final stages of labour’. I mean, I was there as quick as I could.  'I potted the blue, we shook hands, Crunchy paid me.  'I got to the hospital, saw my wife on a trolley and said, ‘Best of luck, darling’. She looked back and said, ‘That’s great. I had him 20 minutes ago.’”  Hearn père et fils cut a disparate pair here at their sprawling Brentwood mansion, where their Matchroom company offices have been carved from the same rooms in which Eddie and sister Katie grew up.  ...  'Eddie and Katie were both schooled to think in terms of the family business. That’s why, when he was 12, I started taking him to the gyms, to the shows, much to his mother's distress.'  ...  “I’ve had it all my life,” Eddie says. “All the time I was playing cricket for Essex, or boxing in Billericay, people would say, ‘Oh, you’re only in the team because of your dad’."  "Hearn knows what makes Burns tick because he once tried to start a career in boxing. He said: “I had three fights as an amateur before I said, ‘Thank you very much, that’ll do me’. I didn’t have Ricky’s hunger and I didn’t have the desire the kids off the council estates had. “My dad always instilled a working-class mentality in me but I knew I wasn’t good enough to be a boxer.  “I did play cricket for Essex up until Under-19 level. But now I’m older I want to protect a family dynasty in my business life and happily taken on that mantle.”"    "His laughter is contagious, as is his resolute assault on snobbery, but Hearn provides insight into the way his family works. 'This will end up sounding like a Monty Python sketch, but I do bang on about working-class values. I remember taking Eddie to the gym and telling him I was going to show him the difference between a working-class bloke and a rich kid. I was 48 and he was 16 and we were meant to spar three rounds. It was a proper fight. I nailed him in the first with the best shot I've ever thrown. He took it and dropped me twice in the second round. We never had the third. That was the last time I ever put the gloves on because I liked his attitude. Katie looks after logistics and she's fantastic. And, while I'd never say this to his face, Eddie might even be better than me.'"    "Fast Eddie Hearn Has established British boxing's largest stable of over 20 fighters, headed by super-middleweight Carl Froch. Kell Brook, Tony Bellew and George Groves have all moved from Warren's stable. Went to public school in Brentwood and boxed as an amateur.  Son of multi-sports czar Barry."  "‘My old man fell out of boxing because he was dealing with too many a***holes,’ says Eddie, 32, who went to his first fight at the age of nine, his father’s promotion of Frank Bruno v Joe Bugner at Tottenham’s White Hart Lane football ground. Hearn junior, who boxed as a teenager at Billericay Boys Club in Essex, loves it though and was drawn back. Even his ill-fated promotion of Audley Harrison failed to discourage him." From these sources, we know the following information about Eddie Hearn: <ol><li>He was born to Barry and Susan Hearn.</li><li>The story of his birth.</li><li>He was 32 in October 2011, meaning he was born in 1978 or 1979.<li>He attended public school in Brentwood.</li><li>He and his sister grew up in a "sprawling Brentwood mansion", where he now works.</li><li>He attended his first fight, Frank Bruno v Joe Bugner at Tottenham’s White Hart Lane football ground, when he was nine.<li>His father brought first brought him to the gym and to shows when he was age 12.</li><li>His father said he was raised with working-class values.</li><li>The boxing match between him and his father when his father was 48 and he was 16.</li><li>He played cricket for Essex until Under-19 level.</li><li>He boxed at Billericay Boys Club in Essex as an amateur when he was a teenager.</li><li>He boxed three times as an amateur upon which he stopped boxing because he knew he was not good enough.<li>He joined Matchroom Sport because "I want to protect a family dynasty in my business life and happily taken on that mantle".</ol> This information about Eddie Hearn's "early life" cannot be included in Matchroom Sport without being undue weight in violation of Neutral point of view. Allowing Eddie Hearn to remain a stand-alone article will allow editors to add non-Matchroom Sport, non-boxing promoter, information to the article. Mandating a merge would discourage editors from adding such information.  Cunard (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm now convinced there's enough coverage of Eddie Hearn to meet WP:GNG, although I would urge Cunard to add some of the above information and sources to the article because it still looks woefully short on references. After reviewing these articles, I now question whether Matchroom Sport has enough significant coverage to meet GNG. Papaursa (talk) 03:57, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


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