Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie St. James


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Eddie St. James

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Poorly sourced article about a musician whose only evident notability claim is having been in multiple bands -- but even most of the bands he was in are themselves of questionable notability, and even if they did get kept it still would not constitute an instant free pass over WP:NMUSIC #6 in the absence of reliable source coverage about him in media. But the sources here are blogs, social networking content, user-generated discussion forums and other people's AllMusic profiles which tangentially verify that those other musicians and their albums exist while completely failing to mention Eddie St. James at all in conjunction with them. And while the writing tone here isn't as egregious as the writing tone in Northstar / U.S. Metal (band), it still tips noticeably into fansite advertorialism in several spots. This is not how you demonstrate a musician as notable enough for a standalone article: the inclusion test is not what the article says, but how well the article references what it says -- and the references here just aren't cutting it at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 19:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 19:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete, or maybe redirect to Trance (band). Not really a key member of any notable band's peak lineup, and no real coverage found of him or his solo releases. --Michig (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - This article uses a lot of text trying to convince the reader that Mr. St. James is more historically important than he really is. A closer reading reveals many giant leaps of attempted notability, such as the fact that his band was in a studio at the same time as someone notable, or he was the roadie for a local band in which one member became famous somewhere else much later. All sources available on Mr. St. James, including some books, mention him tangentially as being associated with someone else, but he is always two or three degrees of separation from notability. He has indeed been a temporary member of a few notable bands, but always before or after their glory days, and none of the found sources discuss Mr. St. James beyond being present. Therefore I see no need for a redirect to any of those bands either. He's a long-serving journeyman who has apparently made an honest living bouncing around the music scene, but that is not independently notable in itself. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep after reviewing the above mentioned reasons for deletion and doing some further research of other Wikipedia entries of this type, there seems to be many entries that are either similar to this or have even lesser reference qualifications than this article. This artist has been on Wikipedia for ca. 10 yrs+ and is at least been mentioned in regards to his own work (also in combination with other more well known artist) in such notable publications such as Billboard Mag as well as other well known and established publications both in North America and in Europe-etc.(checked through the reference list) Only now have the guidelines come up for questioning?, yes there are some references that are not exactly up to the WP:NMUSIC standard, but then again this is by far not the only article that may suffer from this problem. Also worth mentioning that most of these references that are now in question are also used, without question, by many other entries of this category type. If this article were to be deleted than probably half of all the other entries for this category and type would also, according to the aforementioned qualifications, have to be deleted. Xtl2 (talk) 14:31, 14 November 2018 (UTC)xlt2
 * See Other stuff exists. It's not logical to say that an article should be kept because there are other articles with the same problems. Those articles should also be improved or deleted when somebody gets to them. Also, timing does not matter. This is a volunteer encyclopedia and it just took a while for someone who's familiar with the policies to finally came across this article. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 23:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.