Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eden Mall


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus to delete. W.marsh 15:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Eden Mall
non notable mall &rArr;    SWAT Jester     Ready    Aim    Fire!  21:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * See also Pennrose Mall, Mayberry Mall. The creator of all these articles is the North Carolina vandal, who uses large numbers of sockpuppets. -- Curps 21:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Infinite keep, go to hell if you think otherwise.Some guy from tennessee 21:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete No sign of notability. JoshuaZ 21:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But guys, there's a Hallmark store!! Of course, delete per nom. Joe 22:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Malls and shops are generally not notable. See Articles_for_deletion/Precedents. --Metropolitan90 01:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. No reason to delete, and if you do delete, than the Untied kingdom is going to Redirect to England.The Streets of New York 02:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This user has only this edit, and seems to be making some sort of threat here but I don't quite understand it. JoshuaZ 02:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * CommentDo not even DARE delete this article. You must understand it. If you delete Eden Mall, I will use 1,000,000 sockpuppets, each to redirect the United Kingdom to England!
 * Comment And you think that this is will make us inclined to keep it? Generally on AfD's people respond to threats by being more deletionist, not less so. You stand a better of chance of getting the article to stay by demonstrating that this mall is notable in some way. JoshuaZ 02:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone who has never heard of Eden Mall is balls.
 * I think that New York is the Communism vandal or an imitator. JoshuaZ 02:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No it appears to be a sockpuppet of User:Some guy from tennessee, who has been infinitely blocked from editing. -- Francs2000 [[Image:Gay flag.svg|25px| ]] 02:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. and Metropolitan90. feydey 19:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep as a perfectly notable mall. What's with "delete per nom". People should vote on what they think, not just vote because the article was Afd'd?Parkerhimin 20:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: the above is yet another sockpuppet of the North Carolina vandal, no other contributions. -- Curps 21:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, despite compelling defense by Parkerhimin. Slowmover 22:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep the recent spate of mall AfD's is an example of an anti-mall cultural bias, as are any anti-mall precedents in deletion policy. I strongly feel that Wikipedia is being kept from covering many massive, notable, quasi-permanent commercial institutions (many of which are important features in the lives of hundreds of thousands or even millions of people - entire communities!) simply because of cultural bias. I am not a huge mall-lover myself, but most large malls are more notable than many of the small museums that wikipedia covers, and are treated differently mainly because they are seen as distasteful or dislikeable. Wikipedia should not censor or delete an entire category of information (we already cover a number of malls), information that is relevant and important to an electronic encyclopedia, simply because some people find that subject a bit crass. Covering individual malls is not comparable to, say, covering individual Wal-Mart stores (which should not be done), because each mall is different. The layout, location, and composition of a mall is important geographic and cultural information. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 22:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Bobby, if you want to propose a standard for what malls should be kept, we might listen. Note that I take slight issue with the comparison to wallmart, many malls have roughly the same level of notability (especially compared to a wallmart in a small town). JoshuaZ 22:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd agree that Wal-Marts often have the same notability as a smallish-medium mall, but having articles on individual Wal-Marts would be hard, given how they're all so alike. Malls may superficially seem to be alike but they often have different store compositions based on the size and affluence of the community, and they also sometimes have interesting quirks in architecture and layout.  A provisional proposal for a notability standard might run along the lines of: 1.) Must be of sufficient size and stability (relative to the surrounding community) to be a major and central commercial institution in a given geographical area, 2.) Must have 20+ stores (a somewhat arbitrary number; we can obviously work on that), 3.) Must have some possibility for documenting the composition of the mall, in terms of constituent stores (as this is the heart of the usefulness of an article), 4.) Must have the possibility for some description of the layout, architecture, and type of the mall. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 22:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge Like Mayberry Mall, and unlike Pennrose Mall, this might be merged.Reidkins 02:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This user has no edits other than edits to the malls currently under review. Is most likely a sockpuppet of the NC vandal. JoshuaZ 05:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. All malls should have articles here because they are the local landmarks of our times, often replacing Main Street or town square. They have as much influence on towns as highways, schools, or stadiums. They are substantial economic enterprises and raise major issues involving land use, taxation, and globalization. Too many people love to talk, read or write about them for us to play silly games and try to exclude them. This may be hard for people to believe, but in the real world, they are far more important than the latest Virtual community, Pokemon card, or webcomic. -- JJay 11:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do all malls need artciles? Some are quite simply not notable.  Vegaswikian 01:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: see Wikipedia_talk:Notability for an attempt at discussion of notability of buildings (including malls) in general. Friday (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. No showing of why this is encylopedic.  Vegaswikian 01:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Very useful and informative.--Primetime 21:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.