Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edgar Watkins


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Per improvements made and sources identified. Star  Mississippi  00:52, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Edgar Watkins

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Violates WP:NOTDATABASE due to being sourced only to databases, and fails WP:GNG - all we know about him is his name, his date and place of birth and death, and the fact that he competed as part of a team of 45 gymnasts in the 1908 Olympics, coming last. BilledMammal (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. BilledMammal (talk) 17:32, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 08:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "Violates WP:NOTDATABASE" isn't true or relevant, as the article is not 1)Summary-only descriptions of works, 2)Lyrics databases, 3)Excessive listings of unexplained statistics or 4)Exhaustive logs of software updates. If nothing can be found for this guy, then redirect to Gymnastics at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's team per WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE, WP:R and WP:CHEAP.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete lacks any significant coverage. Wikipedia does not have a grandfather clause, we should not keep an redirect just because someone made an article on the subject when the subject is not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep He was the Welsh national champion in 1908, there was coverage in the British Newspaper Archive but here are a couple of articles which are free to view at the Welsh Newspaper Archive: Wales Champion Gymnast and Abertillery Man Wins Welsh Championship Piecesofuk (talk) 16:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding those. I'm not sure the second story is WP:SIGCOV, but as they are both from the same source it doesn't matter - we need multiple examples of significant coverage from different sources, and we currently only have one. Further, both are focused on the same event, and WP:1E would apply. BilledMammal (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't include the British Newspaper Archive as most people don't have access, but here are a few: Gymnastic Competition at Abertillery (this is the same event in March 1908 as above but a different newspaper, gives some biographical info as well); a brief report in the Sporting Life about him from the same event but in a national sporting newspaper (the other newspapers are more local); International Gymnastic Competition this is from May 1908, says it's for the International Club Championship and the Adam's shield, reports of Watkins' brilliant display on the Rings and that he was the top scorer. There are some mentions of his Olympic Games appearance. These searches were for "Edgar Watkins". When searching Welsh Newspapers for "e l watkins" he appears from about 1907-09 Piecesofuk (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as a national champion and enough coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per the sensible comments above. NOTDATABASE is irrelevant here because the article has not been presented as a database – the source is a matter for WP:V, WP:RS, etc. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the newspaper sources and comments above. Atchom (talk) 19:38, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I think I've included adequate references now. Deb (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep article expanded since nomination, does not fail WP:NOTDATABASE NemesisAT (talk) 15:10, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - notability is based on the available sources, not just those in the article currently (or at the time of nomination). Rlendog (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.