Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edilon Sedra


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Edilon Sedra

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A non notable engineering company. Before showing no coverage I can find. Refs in the article are primary. Desertarun (talk) 21:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator. Fails WP:GNG. Chirota (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep! . This is a notable company. That it does not appear so much in tabloid papers for sensationalism is rather a proof of the serious nature of the company, which does not produce scandals for the gutter press. User:Stylez995 should rather have searched for REFs for the long list of notable projects where Edilon Sedra has contributed to, instead of simply deleting it. Keep it! --L.Willms (talk) 09:30, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I've noticed in the revision history that the major contributor to this article, User:Gertjanlaan, appeared to being an employee of the company (but failed to disclose their apparent paid edits, as required by WMFs terms of conditions). Based on their contribution history, they only contributed to Edilon Sedra article, and most of them were promotional, and required lots of cleanup. Even tough, the user is not active since 2015.
 * Aside from that, I've deleted most of the notable projects list because of lack of sources. I personally saw their products at tramway construction projects in Oslo, Norway but it was not mentioned by the company, nor by secondary sources. According to Edilon Sedra's website, they have more projects than listed on this article, including the Seattle light rail project in the U.S., but there's no secondary sources about that so far. I can help contributing further to this article, when I receive more information. --Stylez995 (talk) 12:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe that User:Gertjanlaan is or was an employee of the company, but then he/she was certainly not paid for it, and wrote it in his free time. If a company or person pays for Wikipedia articles, they pay a professional writer for it, not an employee who might versed in the technical details but not in advertisement speech. See e.g. the recent revelation during the leadership scandal of the DFB (Deutscher Fußballbund - German Football Association), where one was accused of using funds of the association to pay for embellishments of the Wikipedia-article on this individual. This is by far not the only case, it may even be the case for the majority of articles, as far as they refer to persons, natural and moral. This company Edilon Sedna sells only to large infrastructure companies and thus is hardly mentioned in the general press, but that does not take away from its notability. --L.Willms (talk) 13:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep The company is notable, but the situation on the article needs improvement, like adding more references and information. The promotional edits by an apparent employee of the company has been cleaned up mostly (see my comment above), but needs some rewrite to be neutral. --Stylez995 (talk) 12:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I tried to find secondary sources, but I cannot find secondary, independent sources that supports their notability. So it fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. --Stylez995 (talk) 15:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. . Please don't WP:CANVASS for votes as you appear to have done above. We don't include companies based upon their employee count - only the existence of reliable secondary sources, which are lacking. Desertarun (talk) 13:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NCORP, I couldn't find independent sources to show sufficient notability. Suonii180 (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


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