Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edith Corse Evans


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The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 22:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Edith Corse Evans

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A case of WP:ONEEVENT, although a significant event. The only coverage in reliable sources comes from obituaries and even those are placed by family and friends rather than editorial. The only verifiable facts about the subject are her death, family and club membership. The rest of the article appears to be based on the fictional account given in A Night to Remember (either the book or the film). As to whether this character needs mentioning at either of those articles I leave to someone who knows the fiction better than I. However, the absence of her name in an extensive cast/character list leads me to believe that even if she occured in the film she is a relatively minor character in the fiction. Nuttah (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator - nothing supports the claims in the article and there is a significant liklihood that fiction is being presented as fact. The verifiable facts already appear in List_of_passengers_on_board_RMS_Titanic. I42 (talk) 08:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List_of_passengers_on_board_RMS_Titanic. In response to Edward below, this book may be more reliable than I first supposed - good point. Never-the-less, this is someone known for one event so I am not persuaded to !vote keep. Furthermore, I do not believe the New York Times article asserts any particular notability because it is a paid advertisment, not an obituary - anyone can pay to make personal announcements in the newspaper. However, as there is (appropriately) mention of this individual at List_of_passengers_on_board_RMS_Titanic we should redirect to that article. I42 (talk) 15:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep An obituary in the NYT is generally considered an indication of notability, and the book A Night to Remember is not a work of fiction. Edward321 (talk) 13:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The novelization may be based on actual events, but it is not a factual account but dramatized. Hence the assertion in the article that 'That boat never came and Miss Edith Evans stood on he deck looking out at the survivors sailing off into the distance. She began pondering on the words of a fortune teller and realised she should have listened. "Beware of the Water" the fortune teller had said. Edith Evans went down with the ship. Her body, if recovered, was never identified.' This is not an eye witness account, it is a plot line invented by Lord. Nuttah (talk) 15:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment A Night To Remember is not a novelization, since it is not a novel and came out before the movie of that name. The section you quote in the article is not Lord's words, it is an expansion on the Encyclopedia Titanica entry on Miss Evans which appears to be an expansion on what Lord actually said in his book.  While we do not know Miss Evans last thoughts, the events listed (including her mentioning the fortune teller) were mentioned by surivors Archibald Gracie and Caroline Brown).  Edward321 (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The NYT entry is pretty clearly a death notice placed by the family, which anyone can have if they pay for it, rather than an obituary written as part of the editorial content of the newspaper, which would imply notability. There may be evidence of notability, but this isn't it. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:46, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Has a number of pages devoted to her in Titanic: Women and Children First. I put less weight on the plaque at Grace Memorial, as that was paid for by her friends, but certainly a church isn't going to keep every memorial donated to it for a hundred years if there was no interest. (This NY Times article indicates the plaque at Grace Memorial is a stop on Titanic history tours.) She is also a character in the Broadway production of Titanic. You'll also find a number of other news articles in the Times if you do a gnews search for Edith+Evans+Titanic (leaving out the middle name). The article needs more work, but I think we have a bit more than just the obit to go on here.-- Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  16:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And a comment -- "Miss Evans" does appear in the IMDb cast listing for the film A Night to Remember. Doesn't appear to be a major role, but she is there. (Not saying this meets notability, just correcting an error in the nom).-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  16:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. As all these references are in relation to the Titanic sinking I remain of the view that WP:BIO1E applies. I42 (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I believe that this person is sufficiently notable. Please see the numerous books that wrote about her role on the Titanic. I have added some sources to the article, but there should be quite a bit more that can be added. ←  Spidern  →  14:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Ditto re my WP:BIO1E concern. I42 (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete She had no frolew in the Titanic,except for having the misfortune to be there. DGG (talk) 07:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


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