Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edsel Ford Fong


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. chaser (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Edsel Ford Fong
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Delete: Non-notable individual despite voluminous cruft and refs. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 18:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Local notable character who gained enough notoriety to be sourced in several articles and portrayed in Tales of the City as an essential piece of San Francisco. Eauhomme (talk) 04:59, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell he is basically a foul-mouthed, surly waiter. I wish him well, but not on Wikipedia. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 08:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In New York, Jerry Seinfeld would have called him the Soup Nazi.  Eauhomme (talk) 00:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per Eauhomme. Being able to achieve any kind of celebrity as a waiter, if attested by reliable sources, is itself a sign of notability. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, perhaps trimming excess cruft. Ultimately, I think an article on Sam Wo Restaurant should be created (as it is a spot that has cultural/historical and literary significance in San Francisco) and the article Edsel Ford Fong should probably be merged into it (Edsel's notability is completely intertwined with his job at Sam Wo). Peter G Werner (talk) 03:37, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Question What is more notable? Edsel Ford Fong or Sam Wo Restaurant? (and I ask this as someone who is unsure of the answer, not being a resident of SF and having only heard of Fong). Eauhomme (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sam Wo is more notable – Kenneth Rexroth mentions it as early as the 1930s, and its still fairly well-known today. There was a clip on the Conan O'Brian show about it a couple years ago. These cultural references pre- and post-date Edsel Ford Fong. Peter G Werner (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fritzpoll (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 22:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge into an article on the Sam Wo Restaurant. Mr. Fong is not particularly notable except in the context of the restaurant, which he was in some sense a part of.  The restaurant is notable on its own.Tyrenon (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Covered in RS. لenna  vecia  18:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Just because you can slip someone past criteria doesn't mean we need an article on them. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:01, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep you know what? I vote to delete a lot of non-notable BLPs for useless nobodys. This guy is A. Dead. B. Well-covered by fairly major publications (and over a period of a while) and is weirdly, oddly, uniquely famous for being a horrible, horrible waiter. C. Not likely to attract the sort of useless fancreeps that make so many articles unmaintanable. In an encyclopedia full of badly written, unsourced useless garbage that i can't get deleted because of the ARS-bots, here's a piece of well-written, well-sourced, useless americana. Keep.Bali ultimate (talk) 23:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep for the same reason as Bali ultimate's reason B. Revelian (talk) 18:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.